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8 million CCWs and Feinstein has fit over nat'l reciprocity legislation

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Jul 19, 2012.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Dianne, Dianne, Dianne...whatsamaddayou???

    :rolleyes: :huh:

    GAO: 8 million CCWs; Feinstein spins report to oppose nat’l reciprocity

    The Government Accountability Office has just issued a report on concealed carry in the United States that says there are at least 8 million active concealed carry permits, and anti-gun California Senator Dianne Feinstein immediately said the report is proof that national CCW reciprocity would endanger the lives of police and private citizens.

    GAO: 8 million CCWs; Feinstein spins report to oppose nat
     
  2. davemata

    davemata Spokane, WA Well-Known Member

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    Now I read that Pelosi had one, doesn't Feinstein have a CCW as well?

    Seems she's just trying to protect her special status, as one of the few worthy of self protection... :(
     
  3. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Dianne needs to go back to Neverland!! She is so far Left she is off the planet!! And....Barbara Boxer is her friggin co pilot!!
     
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  4. mpmarty

    mpmarty Oregon Mountains Member

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    California is slowly destroying this country. I wish we could give it back to Mexico.
     
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  5. viehmann7680

    viehmann7680 Centralia Active Member

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    I agree. Getting rid of California would benefit this country greatly!!!
     
  6. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    No need to go to any extra effort in a few years the public there can just vote themselves back home. Jefferson mght try to hang on to the union. But other then that its headed there.
     
  7. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    I like the idea being able to go anywhere in the USA with my CHL... but, the idea of handing over my CHL rights to the federal government scares the hell out of me.

    I'd rather have to fight for my rights at the state level IMHO.
    I'm the same size fish but in a much smaller pond.
     
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  8. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Without going toooooo deeply into it, I would argue it wouldn't be any different than reciprocity of a driver license. The various states have varying traffic laws, what you can do in one state you may not be able to do in another state.

    In Oregon we can carry CCW in public schools, in Washington (state) you cannot bring it into the building, but can be on school grounds while CCWing when picking up or dropping off your kids, etc. You would be responsible for knowing the "local" CCW laws, just like you would the traffic laws when driving interstate.
     
  9. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Would a national reciprocity law require standardized courses? Would there be support for standardization?
     
  10. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    She used to have one issued by city or county of San Francisco. Interestingly enough SF had only 1 or 2 active permits at any point in time. In any case, DF doesn't have a permit anymore, but when she did have one, her excuse was "she was trained unlike the other citizens". Also there is a speculation that DF is deputized, and still has a right to carry nationwide under LEOSA.

    Do you drink wine ? Eat strawberries ? Own an iPhone ? California is the largest economy of the union, don't forget that.

    There was an intent to investigate the standardization - some committee was to be created. But the main bill didn't really deal with that.
     
  11. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Not sure if you're asking in the context of if that's in any (past, present, or future) national reciprocity legislation, or questioning the qualification processes (or lack thereof) but if you are questioning the standards of other states, are the the standards uniform across the states for a driver license?

    Unlike Oregon, Washington state only requires a clean record, no documented mental issues, and pay the license fee. I don't have a problem with a Washington CPL holder CCW-ing in Oregon because they don't require documented "handgun handling" training.

    It would be interesting to see how something like this would be crafted in a national reciprocity bill. If they do it honesty and "let" each state determine the requirements for their own residents and CCW laws pertaining to "do's & dont's", yet establishing reciprocity... It would be nothing short of amazing, but I won't hold my breath.
     
  12. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    No. It is reciprocity between states, not a "national" license, just like your driver's license is a state issued, state regulated license. There is just an agreement that you can use it in other states, following the laws in the state you where you are driving.
     
  13. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    As soon as you nationalize this then little by little the anti gunners will start to make it harder and harder to get one, keep one and we don't need one more federal dept of CWP that gets unionized under TSA and on and on. Keep it states rights but would agree with reciprocity.
     
  14. davemata

    davemata Spokane, WA Well-Known Member

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    Considering it's wrong to require courses, I wouldn't support it. Too infringing.
     
  15. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Funny. Concealed Carry can be banned altogether without violation of the Constitution, as long as Open Carry is available.
     
  16. davemata

    davemata Spokane, WA Well-Known Member

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    why would you think that funny? I think of it as a base erosion of quality values that allowed us to get to a place where that *could* happen, where poor parenting taught generations of "special snowflakes" that nothing is bigger than them, not even the base framework of the nation.

    I don't think it's funny one bit, I think it's sick.
     
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