6 Dead, Dying, and Soon-To-Be-Obsolete Handgun Cartridges

[eb in oregon]

Die? yes. Stopped? Maybe, maybe not.

Do you have an actual point?

 

[titsonritz]

.45-70

One hundred fifty years old and still going strong

FIFY

 

[The Heretic]

Do you have an actual point?

Yes - stats will show what someone died from, but generally not much (if anything) about when the attacker was stopped by being shot.

 

[Knobgoblin]

Thread drift!

Dang , them colonial phobias run deep.

 

[GWS]

Are those fellows Moros?

 

[Knobgoblin]

being a history nerd, I remember this stopping power anecdote from like 8th grade.
Maybe it was high school .

U S troops complaints about the underpowered .38S&W failing to stop fanatical Moro assaults .
.45 was the answer, IIRC

 

[GWS]

Yep they dragged out the old Colt SAA's to deal with the Amoks

 

[03A3Sporter]

being a history nerd, I remember this stopping power anecdote from like 8th grade.
Maybe it was high school .

U S troops complaints about the underpowered .38S&W failing to stop fanatical Moro assaults .
.45 was the answer, IIRC

It was not the 38 S&W it was the 38 Long Colt

 

[03A3Sporter]

.45-70

One hundred fifty years old

You are taking this way too seriously. And the 45-70 is one of the exceptions.

To be fair by the late 1960's the 45/70 was not only on life support it was almost out the door and on it's way to the funeral home . Factually Marlin developed the 444 Marlin as an answer to the need for something that duplicated 45/70 ballistics in a lever gun because most ammunition makers at the time had all but stopped loading the round and no one other than Marlin was offering a production 45/70 and that was on a very limited basis. What ended up saving the 45/70 ended up being first the long range black powder silhouette shooters and then later the SASS gang . Make no mistake though like the Buffalo the 45/70 was nearly extinct. For what it is worth the 444 was very popular for about 25 or 30 years during the time when the 45/70 almost disappeared.

 

[Longwalkhome]

Yep they dragged out the old Colt SAA's to deal with the Amoks

I have read that the Moros were high on opium before they went into battle and it gave them enough pain suppression that they often could kill before being killed. I do love my Colt SAA guns and they are a great part of our history.

 

[03A3Sporter]

I have read that the Moros were high on opium before they went into battle and it gave them enough pain suppression that they often could kill before being killed. I do love my Colt SAA guns and they are a great part of our history.

They would use drugs and tie cordage around their arms and legs right before an attack to help restrict blood flow when they were shot so they could continue attacking .

 

[The Heretic]

To be fair by the late 1960's the 45/70 was not only on life support it was almost out the door and on it's way to the funeral home . Factually Marlin developed the 444 Marlin as an answer to the need for something that duplicated 45/70 ballistics in a lever gun because most ammunition makers at the time had all but stopped loading the round and no one other than Marlin was offering a production 45/70 and that was on a very limited basis. What ended up saving the 45/70 ended up being first the long range black powder silhouette shooters and then later the SASS gang . Make no mistake though like the Buffalo the 45/70 was nearly extinct. For what it is worth the 444 was very popular for about 25 or 30 years during the time when the 45/70 almost disappeared.

Stuff happens, things change. I think maybe the fact that at some point some ammo manufacturers started supplying more powerful .45-70 ammo helped too.

 

[2506]

As I was born in the '50s, it was before my time.

The 41 was introduced by Remington in the 1964.
I recall watching Clint Smith say something along the lines of "beware the fella who carries a 41 mag"

 

[The Heretic]

The 41 was introduced by Remington in the 1964.
I recall watching Clint Smith say something along the lines of "beware the fella who carries a 41 mag"

The .41 Mag yes, not the .41 LC which is what I was referencing and had never heard of before.

 

[cowboykid8]

Bold move writing an article about pistol cartridges dying when any store that had the ammo and guns was sold out. I also enjoy the reason he says .40 died cuz the FBI bailed on it back in 2015, but then says 10mm is "climbing to stardom".

 

[The Heretic]

 

[Koda]

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So I guess the idea that the .40 is dying has merit....

 

[The Heretic]

So I guess the idea that the .40 is dying has merit....

SIG can kill their guns in .40, but that just means they will lose more contracts/sales to Glock and others

Doesn't bother me too much - I have all the .40 guns and ammo I need

 

[Dinglenutz]

So I guess the idea that the .40 is dying has merit....

Sorta?

When Glock stops making the 22/23/31/32/33 and others stop, I'll take it more seriously.

 

[Longwalkhome]

SIG can kill their guns in .40, but that just means they will lose more contracts/sales to Glock and others

Doesn't bother me too much - I have all the .40 guns and ammo I need

Anyone who owns a Sig should get as many magazines as their needs dictate because Sig quits making magazines when they drop a model.