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5000 STG-44 rifles discovered in a cache in Syrian desert

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by The Heretic, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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  2. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    What a WASTE!! :(
     
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    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Haven't they been looting, and of late destroying, priceless artifacts by the mile over around there? Sorry to say it but it's hard to imagine what they wouldn't destroy or deface.
     
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  4. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Good luck finding the ammo to go with those.
     
  5. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Wow! How many AK-47's could they have bought! So sad!
     
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  6. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Heh, yeah....I was curious about that too, so...
    http://www.ima-usa.com/original-german-wwii-stg-44-display-assault-rifle-with-demilled-receiver.html

    But ammo is totally available from several sources for around $.85/round!

    Fascinating history there. Weren't the Nazi's a day late/dollar short with several things at that time? And those Al Qaedain's? Thought they were AK's? Just imagine the chatter after they loaded up a mag, a mag should load 7.92 X 33 right? And then it wont chamber! :confused:
     
  7. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    They probably made jewelry out of the damned things... desert gangsta-ghetto. :rolleyes:
     
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    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    DuneHopper Douglas County. Well-Known Member

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    Id still take one ammo or not pretty cool artifact and if in mint might make a cool mancave wall hanger.
     
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    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    If that's all your looking for then you can get a resin casted replica that can be made to look crazy-realistic. ;)
     
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  11. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Paintings are "Wall Hangers". Anything I own has got to shoot and shoot
    straight.;)
     
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    DuneHopper Douglas County. Well-Known Member

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    lol
     
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    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Feelin' REAL BAD for your pets right now! :D
     
  14. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Pets? Dog is at one end of the garden and the cat at the other, with a huge rat in the middle.:eek:
    Don't want anyone/thing around (except the wife) that may out live me.:p
     
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    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    The original assault (storm) as in sturm der schloss (storm the castle) rifle that started it all with selective fire and a shorter than rifle cartridge 7.92 Kurz. They parachuted a 100 earlier models in to a surrounded German unit who used them to great effect in breaking out.
    I am sure Kalashnikov would never admit it but odds are since earlier versions were being tested at the front in 1942 in Russia the AK owes much to the German design.

    Personally, it is the coolest WWII infantry firearm out there.
    70 years later it still looks bad @ZZ.

    Brutus Out
     
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    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    The Nazis were late with this because Hitler heard requests for the new rifles and wanted to see it. After it was demonstrated he felt it's range beyond 400 meters was ineffective and an infantryman should have a rifle capable of shooting 1,000 meters. (Him being a WWI infrantryman) So, sneaky builders and generals started calling it a Maschinen Pistole MP43 and MP44 to get SOME in to production. Later Hitler gave in but another one of his bone headed decisions that kept a next gen weapon out of mass production. Hell, even some US troops used captured ones. It wasn't perfect but it was the leading edge of combat infantryman assault weapons. Far more accurate at ranges Tommies, Stens, MP 40s, PPSHs became little more than shot guns.

    Brutus Out
     
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    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    Anyone ever see the WWii history episode, "High-Hitler"??

    Dude was all jacked up on Eukodal and other narcotics. Small wonder he made such poor choices.... like believing he should bury his weapons when in fact he should have been digging them up!!!!

    :s0133:
     
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    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Federov designed and built the first assault rifle used in a military conflict decades before the STG-44.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat

    Selective fire.
    Removable large capacity mag.
    Intermediate power ammo.

    The Swiss had a bullpup select fire military rifle before that, but as far as I know it was not used by the military in a conflict.

    As is usual with most things "invented" by someone, the ideas and implementations are not singularly unique, and there is usually someone who has done something similar beforehand.
     
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    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    Federov's gun was not successful from a production or even service life standard. The STG 44 was and was produced in far larger numbers. You also don't see replicas being made. It had a slow cyclic rate and over heated.

    Brutus out
     
  20. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't perfect, and it wasn't anywhere near as popular as the AK, but it was manufactured in the thousands and used in several conflicts decades before the STG-44.

    That is my point - not that it was as good as the STG-44 or AK, but rather that it was around and used long before anybody thought about designing the STG or AK.

    I.E., there was little that was innovative or unique about any of the Assault Rifles that followed it - they were just improvements on the original idea.