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I'm creating this new thread because this is an important topic. We have already had to moderate multiple other threads due to numerous violations of rules 1-4, which unbecoming of even the most extreme websites on the internet. This is not a thread for you to share your generalized opinions on gays or Muslims, this is a thread to discuss this event and how it pertains to gun owners.

I'm not wasting my Sunday afternoon babysitting, posts will simply be removed. If you cannot keep this civil and abide by the rules please do not post.

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50 killed in Florida nightclub, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance

Orlando, Florida (CNN) -

An American-born man who'd pledged allegiance to ISIS gunned down 50 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando -- the deadliest mass shooting in the United States and the nation's worst terror attack since 911, authorities said Sunday.

50 killed in Florida nightclub, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/)
 
Truly sad. I have friends who are gay and are good people. I don't care what your skin color, race, religion, ethnicity, sexuality or nationality is. I judge people by the content of their character. This was a senseless act of violence over nothing. Sadly more gun laws will likely be enacted as a result and we will lose more of our rights. If people had been allowed to be armed to defend themselves this would have been stopped. Instead we see that the Police could not get there in time to protect. We need to protect ourselves but sadly after this I doubt we will be allowed to own as much as a break action shotgun. Well, maybe...

Not a religious man but prayers for the victims regardless...
 
In my experience, when an emotional kid shoots his schoolmates, people want to take away my guns. When a terrorist does a focused attack on US soil, people want to go buy guns of their own.
I'm thinking this will have a light effect on the gun control debate. It might renew the "no-fly-list" to "No-gun-list" comparison, but that list is so dysfunctional it needs a full revamp anyway.
 
I just want to know why it took 3 hours to engage...I dont expect the first person who arrives to go in guns ablaze but I would hope a planned response could be put together sooner than that. Think of the wounded...
 
I just want to know why it took 3 hours to engage...I dont expect the first person who arrives to go in guns ablaze but I would hope a planned response could be put together sooner than that. Think of the wounded...
Badabing. I thought common taught protocol for the last ten or so years was for any and every swinging dick to literally rush the active shooter. Every "active shooter" is a "hostage situation" so tremendous fail right there. Maybe they'll change calibers.. (play slap on another Florida fail of some time ago).
 
All politics aside, people hate us for the sake of hating us. Be sure to carry everyday and be as prepared as you can be. There's going to be a lot of armchair quarterbacking about this shooting, for sure. The media and the gun control groups will be on a feeding frenzy again.
Now that our everyday life is in the crosshairs and being targeted at random, time to step up the game. Walk in to a room, make a note of how many people are in there and who might be a problem. Walking into a supermarket, do a quick scan. Stuck in the check out line, take a moment to look at the people in the checkout lines around you.
Yes, time to be vigilant. Paranoid? No, but no more life as normal. The comfort zone of what used to be our daily lives is no more. Now that our country currently let's people across the border wholesale and without care it's up to us as individual Americans to look out for ourselves. Welcome to the fundamental transformation of America. Yesterday the nightclub, tomorrow supermarkets and daycares.
 
All politics aside, people hate us for the sake of hating us. Be sure to carry everyday and be as prepared as you can be. There's going to be a lot of armchair quarterbacking about this shooting, for sure. The media and the gun control groups will be on a feeding frenzy again.
Now that our everyday life is in the crosshairs and being targeted at random, time to step up the game. Walk in to a room, make a note of how many people are in there and who might be a problem. Walking into a supermarket, do a quick scan. Stuck in the check out line, take a moment to look at the people in the checkout lines around you.
Yes, time to be vigilant. Paranoid? No, but no more life as normal. The comfort zone of what used to be our daily lives is no more. Now that our country currently let's people across the border wholesale and without care it's up to us as individual Americans to look out for ourselves. Welcome to the fundamental transformation of America. Yesterday the nightclub, tomorrow supermarkets and daycares.
Oh you choir preacher you!
Yea, carry a gun and know how to use it. patent pending!
 
When are all the Super Powers of the world (US, Russia, China, etc) going to all sit at one big table and say enough is enough. It's time to eradicate ISIS once and for all? Because of the possibility of civilian casualties? What do they call todays shooting, or the Boston bomber victims. Its time for action. Not for more gun control. Its time to clean out the sandbox. For good.
 
Did this IS murdering start at that naval shipyard a few years ago (I think he had a security clearance card and a shotgun) or what? I'm sure there's some sort of accounting?
 
Wow, people blocked the back door....

""As soon as we got a ten second break, we went through this alleyway, which led for only employees, and me and this random guy tried blocking the door, cause at that point, like I said, the bullets were getting louder and closer. So we blocked this door, and we did hear banging, and I pray it wasn't anyone trying to escape, because I would forever feel guilty. But at that point there was about 20 people in front of us crammed in this little alleyway, with a big hole in one of the fences, and just trying to topple over, just trying to escape, just trying to run."

Understandably, Burbano feels guilty about the possible implications of blocking the door. Since the club did not have a significant number of exits, there is a chance that some patrons of the club did not have any other way out. Burbano mentions that there were 20 people attempting to climb through a hole in a fence outside of the club. Since it took time for everyone to get through the fence, blocking the door could have prevented the shooter from quickly making his way outside and targeting the 20 people who were crammed in the small alley. Regardless, Burbano understands that blocking the door could have prevented many more people from getting outside and at least having a chance to run to safety.


Read more at Orlando Nightclub Shooting Update: Survivors May Have Blocked Exit Door That Would Have Allowed People To Escape (http://www.inquisitr.com/3195984/orlando-nightclub-shooting-update-survivors-may-have-blocked-exit-door-that-would-have-allowed-people-to-escape/#xWzozu1SyBlVkvLc.99)
 
Wow, people blocked the back door....

""As soon as we got a ten second break, we went through this alleyway, which led for only employees, and me and this random guy tried blocking the door, cause at that point, like I said, the bullets were getting louder and closer. So we blocked this door, and we did hear banging, and I pray it wasn't anyone trying to escape, because I would forever feel guilty. But at that point there was about 20 people in front of us crammed in this little alleyway, with a big hole in one of the fences, and just trying to topple over, just trying to escape, just trying to run."

Understandably, Burbano feels guilty about the possible implications of blocking the door. Since the club did not have a significant number of exits, there is a chance that some patrons of the club did not have any other way out. Burbano mentions that there were 20 people attempting to climb through a hole in a fence outside of the club. Since it took time for everyone to get through the fence, blocking the door could have prevented the shooter from quickly making his way outside and targeting the 20 people who were crammed in the small alley. Regardless, Burbano understands that blocking the door could have prevented many more people from getting outside and at least having a chance to run to safety.


Read more at Orlando Nightclub Shooting Update: Survivors May Have Blocked Exit Door That Would Have Allowed People To Escape (http://www.inquisitr.com/3195984/orlando-nightclub-shooting-update-survivors-may-have-blocked-exit-door-that-would-have-allowed-people-to-escape/#xWzozu1SyBlVkvLc.99)

Another reason to carry. Can't escape, can't hide.
 
You know what? In that situation, I may be the first target. I may not. But I, as well as ALL Americans, should have the given RIGHT to defend themselves. Carry. Every day. Every time. Without prejudice. Be aware. Be safe. Don't allow yourself to be preyed upon.
 
Rules for an active shooter by Homeland Security.
Good practices for coping with an active shooter situation• Be aware of your environment and any possible dangers• Take note of the two nearest exits in any facility you visit• If you are in an office, stay there and secure the door• If you are in a hallway, get into a room and secure the door• As a last resort, attempt to take the active shooter down. When the shooter is at close range and you cannot flee, your chance of survival is much greater if you try to incapacitate him/her.CALL 911 WHEN IT IS SAFE TO DO SO!
Not so much !!!
 
Yet another mohammedan. Whether you subscribe to their belief system or not, it's obvious that the lion's share of these murders are done by these guys (and gals). Apparently, this one even called 911 just to make sure everyone knew he pledged himself to ISIS.

Questions: Are the able-bodied men of our nation going to allow this to continue? Worse yet, are we going to allow our elected leaders to disarm us?

And to any muslims who might read this: When are you going to rise up and put a stop to your friends and family members doing this sort of thing? When are you going to stop allowing your preachers to incite violence?

I've never encountered an active shooter of any kind (Christian, muslim, atheist...), but I've armed myself and become proficient with a number of firearms. If I do cross paths with one of these guys, at least I (and the people around me) will have a chance.

Beyond arming up, and voting for Mr. Trump, I'm not sure what to do. I'm too old to join the local militia (hoping to Heaven we have one).
 

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