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5 Week Waiting Period?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by OregonPlinker, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. OregonPlinker

    OregonPlinker Creswell, Or Active Member

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    I just bought a RIA 1911 or tried to and the guy told me he entered the background stuff online and they put a hold on it till 4/26/12. This was last friday the 16th. Has anyone else ever heard of this type of deal:huh: My friend at work said he thought they did away with the cooling off period because you can do backgrounds online now. I remember a few years ago when my Dad bought one of his pistols and left with it right then? I dont know anything except I have 350 rounds for the gun and now Im supposed to wait 5 weeks? For what? Any input would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Brandon:thumbup:
     
  2. Wifey

    Wifey N.E. PDX Active Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I made a purchase from a gentleman (not a dealer) here in Oregon and he simply made the call to the state for clearance. I believe anyone can phone it in.

    Wifey
     
  3. Skang

    Skang WA Well-Known Member

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    I thought online check were suppose to be faster then calling in.
     
  4. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    Is this all related to the other thread regarding the Oregon checks pulling a massive slow down?
     
  5. OregonPlinker

    OregonPlinker Creswell, Or Active Member

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    I cant seem to find another thread similar to this other than in Washington?
     
  6. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    I couldn't find it either, but here is the OFF post.

    DON'T CALL US
     
  7. OregonPlinker

    OregonPlinker Creswell, Or Active Member

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    I have my CHL too. Shouldnt that put me on some kind of "good guy" list or something? lol
     
  8. bikejunkie

    bikejunkie Salem Well-Known Member

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    Right now the Oregon State Police check system is down and when you call the delay line they basically tell you to pound it. Here's a newsletter from the trainer I have taken a few classes with that explains the deal- I have copied and pasted:

    The Jacobe Group LLC NewsLetter

    Oregon State Police: Don't Call Us, We Won't Call You


    As far too many of you know, the Oregon State Police ID Unit was shut down for most of Sunday, crippling multiple gun shows, halting countless sales and costing dealers, buyers and gun show hosts untold thousands of dollars. If you ever wondered why we oppose background checks, this should tell you. All OSP has to do is throw a switch or blow a fuse and gun sales end. Both their phone lines and their new "computer system" were unavailable. But there is a bigger, more constant problem we need to address.

    Several years ago OFF was receiving so many complaints about the awful treatment people were receiving from the State Police ID Unit when they attempted to make firearms purchases that we arranged a meeting with them.

    At the time both dealers and buyers were frequently lied to about the process, and attempts to contact OSP for an explanation of a delay or denial were routinely ignored.

    During our first meeting, OSP gave us a copy of a manual they said they provided to gun dealers that explained "the rules." On the very second page we noted information that was false and against state and Federal law.

    During that meeting we were promised that service would improve, the error in the manual would be fixed and staff would be retrained so they would no longer dispense false information to dealers and buyers. For a long time things did seem to improve. The complaints we got dropped off to almost zero. Calls to the challenge line were, as promised, being returned promptly. We have never approved of background checks, but it did seem like an effort was being made to do a better job. Still we believed that because of several factors, including a $10.00 fee and the fact that OSP was databasing info on the gun being purchased, and thereby creating a gun registry, that this job was better done by NICS directly. In 2011 we introduced a bill to do just that. It passed out of House Judiciary only to die in Ways and Means when the Public Employee Unions came out to testify that the Oregon economy would collapse if OSP was not doing gun purchase background checks.

    Now it seems we are back to the bad old days. The number of complaints we receive about unjust delays has once again started climbing, but what's worse is the new attitude of the OSP ID Unit.

    Where once if you received a delay or "pend" you were promised a response in 24 hours, now OSP is telling people not to bother them and not to expect a call back. Their "challenge line" has an outgoing message saying you will be delayed at least a month and don't even bother to leave a message before a month has gone by since they will NOT call you back. This is an astonishing response from a State agency. "We are going to deny your rights and you'd better not ask us about it."

    The attitude of the OSP ID Unit is outrageous and unacceptable. The outgoing message tells people that their "standard delay" is 35 days. But that does not mean you will even get a response then. They can extend their delay forever.

    Clearly, a right delayed is a right denied.

    Think of the person who has a reasonable fear for their safety. The State Police tell them "tough, it's your problem." and then to add insult to injury tell that person, "don't bother us with questions."

    It is important to note that with or without the OSP's approval you are entitled to the gun after three business days as long as there has not be an outright denial. As you would expect, there is nothing in their message that informs callers of this and it is the policy of the OSP not to inform buyers or dealers of this fact. NICS, on the other hand, informs buyers of their rights.

    The State Police ID Unit has turned itself into a dictatorial gun control agency that routinely denies people their rights and then demands that it not be questioned about it. This has to stop.

    First, call the challenge line to listen to the arrogant and outrageous outgoing message if you press 1 for a "delay". That number is 503-373-1808.

    Then call Patricia Whitfield and demand to know why her agency is treating taxpaying Oregonians like an unwanted nuisance when they are denied their rights by her agency.

    Whitfield's phone number is 503-934-2305.

    Her email is patricia.whitfield@state.or.us

    A sample cut and paste message follows:

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    Ms. Whitfield,
    I am astonished by the attitude of your unit when dealing with firearms purchase delays. The OSP ID Unit is a state agency tasked with serving the residents and taxpayers of this state. When your unit delays a firearms purchase, they are denying a right. To treat callers to your "challenge" line as though they were an unwelcome annoyance is outrageous and unacceptable.
    If you cannot complete your checks quickly you should at least inform delayed buyers of their rights under State and Federal law. If this situation is not improved, I can assure you that I will do all in my power to see that the Legislature turns these checks over to NICS.
     
  9. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Um, WOW...

    I have a feeling that even though this in place, no respectable dealer will let the firearm go without OSP's approval in the state of Oregon. This is really disturbing when you think about it. Through Oregon you HAVE to go through this additional process through the OSP? Yeah, I'm so glad I don't live in Oregon.
     
  10. OregonPlinker

    OregonPlinker Creswell, Or Active Member

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    Thank you guys for the links and info. Very much appreciated!
     
  11. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    i guess i have to wonder why dealers don't call NCIS directly instead of using to OSP when they, OSP; are incapable of manning the phones or computer requests?
     
  12. OregonPlinker

    OregonPlinker Creswell, Or Active Member

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    "It is important to note that with or without the OSP's approval you are entitled to the gun after three business days as long as there has not be an outright denial. As you would expect, there is nothing in their message that informs callers of this and it is the policy of the OSP not to inform buyers or dealers of this fact. NICS, on the other hand, informs buyers of their rights".


    Can anyone point me in the direction of how I can prove this? Sorry for being a pain in the neck... I really want to shoot this puppy!
     
  13. bikejunkie

    bikejunkie Salem Well-Known Member

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    ^ PM sent
     
  14. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Just in case you missed his post....
     
  15. OregonPlinker

    OregonPlinker Creswell, Or Active Member

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    Yeah I read that as soon as Morpheus posted it. I also emailed Whitfield.
    Im looking for statutes or laws or something a little more official than just a post.
     
  16. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Wow,sounds like y'all need to clean house this fall.
    I don't believe your 2A rights is any priority of your state government.

    Yours truly..
    Captain Obvious
     
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  17. OregonPlinker

    OregonPlinker Creswell, Or Active Member

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    Gotta love Oregon liberals...
     
  18. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    OSP Union flexing muscle!!!!!!!
     
  19. Rich7944

    Rich7944 Kent, Wa. Active Member

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    I had a problem with the NICS giving me delay then denied because of stolen ID problem so I did the UPIN with them and now all I do is give them my UPIN when I buy a gun from a dealer. Takes awhile to get the UPIN but there is no hold up once you have it.
     
  20. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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