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5.56 / 223 SD Rounds

Discussion in 'Defensive Carry & Self Defense' started by RicInOR, May 2, 2016.

  1. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Just looking for suggestions for Self Defense rounds for a stock, low end, AR.


    What and Where did you find (meaning for a reasonable price)



    I was browsing around Cabella's yesturday, and didn't find any. Good selection of ammo - none I spotted labeled for Self Defense.


    No I don't need a case, just a few boxes of 20, to verify it cycles the MSR and to keep a 20rnd mag loaded and handy.


    TIA
     
  2. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    I doubt you are going to find many rifle rounds listed as "self defense " although I am sure many are well suited.

    My guess is if you have to put a couple into someone to stop them that even ball is going to be pretty effective. If it's self defence we are talking under 25 feet. Shoot a watermelon at 25 feet with a M855 and tell me you think you need special ammo.
     
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  3. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    Soft point or ballistic tip.
     
  4. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Logan Wilson Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  6. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I had several boxes of the Zombie ammo for my handguns.
     
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  7. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    My SD round is a regular round, but I keep like 8-30rd mags loaded in a go bag.

    So I feel like that should be sufficient.

    2 to the chest, 1 to the head?

    No, how about a lot to everywhere.
     
  8. Vierings

    Vierings Tacoma Member

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    I'm sure most are aware.. But its the same as the critical defense loads. (If that helps anyone in the future)
     
  9. SFGIANTSGUY28

    SFGIANTSGUY28 Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  11. x2ndxall

    x2ndxall WA Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Black Hills 77 gr OTM (Open Tip Match) AKA MK262 Mod 0/1. Works good on humans, best if they're wearing heavy clothing. Very accurate, nice shock from the relatively heavy bullet, makes a pretty nasty wound, good penetration, reduced flash.
    That's what I use and I like 'em.
     
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  12. SCARed

    SCARed Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Considering 5.56 ball ammo is designed to expend all of its energy in the targets body by tumbling, does one really need a fancy bullet in said caliber?
     
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  13. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Tumbling doesn't happen reliably with the current common rates of twist. The first guns had one in 14 twist I believe.

    I went through the same questions as the OP. I finally decided what loaded ammo was out there was too rare and too expensive, so I bought a box of Nosler 64gr bonded bullets and loaded my own. Such bonded bullets are considered "barrier blind", expand at low velocities and hold together at high velocities. They also will work in both one in 9 and one in 7.5 twist - it's not a good idea to have to segregate ammo by the rifle. If I had loaded the 77gr bullets, I wouldn't have been able to shoot it in my one in 9 guns.
     
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  14. Trunkmonkey

    Trunkmonkey Tigard, Oregon Member

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    The Speer 64grain gold dots are also bonded soft points. From that palmetto state armory link posted above. Basically the same bullet as fusion MSR and 62 grain fusion from federal. They are barrier blind, and claim to expand in short barrels up to 200 yards. Most gel tests show them penetrating around 18". I just bought 1800 rounds to keep for defense after zeroing the guns to them. I would recommend something like that, or 77 OTM, 75, 69 Sierra matchbullets, but I do have a 1-9 twist AR as well which the 64 grain will work with and the 77 won't. The Speer gold dots are a bargain at .50 per round compared to everything else.
     
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  15. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Winchester Ranger 223 Rem 64gr Power Point aka Winchester Super-X 223 Rem 64gr Power Point. I believe that both have the same soft point projectiles, just different packaging.

    Or the spendy stuff Winchester PDX1 Defender 223 Rem 60gr with Split Core Technology.
     
  16. Hdshot

    Hdshot Grants Pass Oregon Member

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    Midway has sales all the time. Midsouth is another place you can check.
     
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    SigShooter Beaverton Member

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    For what it's worth, the Speer Gold Dot is what OSP uses, almost 99% sure it's the 64 grain and not the 55 grain as there are both options.
     
  18. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure why you want to get any defence ammo for 223/556. There are better calibers if you are changing what the gun is made for.
    But an AR is the ladt this g I would use in the house for SD. Or any rifle caliber for that matter.
    Plus you are still betting that the round won't just glide thru someone and a couple more walls
     
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  19. Ura-Ki

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    I run the Speer Gold dot loads in 64 and 75 gr as well as the black hills 77 gr hollow points for most of my non home defensive us.

    Let me pose a question to you all and see what your thoughts are.
    A 55 gr hollow point vermin round is designed to expand explosively at impact and that creates a massive wound with out much penetration. If it does penetrate, it is only a few inches at most. If that is true, then why are so many people against using these as defensive rounds ( besides little penetration) In my mind, even a very difficult shot at extream angles and with heavy clothing, this round would cause a very large and incapacitating injury, and even if it were not lethal it would stop that tango from posing further risk! I would also point out in the testing I have done with these rounds, that they do not penetrate barriers very well, which in a defensive case would be ideal, at least in most situations, I.E. home defense. As noted above, I am currently using heavy rounds that offer lots of penetration and long range, but these are for threat engagements beyond close defense encounters or out side the home.
     
  20. x2ndxall

    x2ndxall WA Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    I totally agree as far as "in the house" is concerned, there are better choices. I'm grabbing my MK23 with PDX1 in my house.

    But I'm not knocking anyone for choosing the AR15. It is hard to beat as an all-around SD weapon. It works well for CQB, such as in homes (come visit me in hodgieland and watch in real life). It is one of the best choices for accurate, rapid fire, follow up shots. And if (I know it's rare for now) you have a bad guy outside shooting at you, an AR is a much better choice than a handgun.


    Don't believe everything you hear or read. 5.56 makes people very dead. Every day.