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45 colt powders,loads?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by mjbskwim, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I am setting up to reload for my Vaquero 45 colt.I have some 200 gr slugs and some 250? Both jacketed hollow points.
    So the question is what are some of your favorite powders?
    Trail boss is one I have bought. I would like to load some a little hotter than Cowboy Action loads

    Thanks
    Mike
     
  2. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Not to change the subject but, can you overload a 45 LC round and shoot it in a casull. Will the case take the extra pressure?
     
  3. scrandall01215

    scrandall01215 Washougal,WA Well-Known Member

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    Not sure about over loading it, but you can shoot a 45 colt in the casull
     
  4. elsie

    elsie Way over there on the left Well-Known Member

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    Some reloading manuals have loads for heavy action, ie T/C Contender and Ruger Redhawk(?).


    elsie
     
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  5. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    So from what I have come up with,the 45colt can be loaded HOT for rugers and T/C but the cases are thinner and will not last as long. That is why with some reload data they separate the rugers and contenders.This would include the Freedom arms I'm sure
    I don't think I would try to load a 45c case with as much powder as a 454 cassul. They are way above a 44mag in pressures.I'm pretty sure the case will fail. Which pushes powder out the sides of the gun and into your eyes.May not hurt the gun but the hot gasses may get to you
     
  6. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Good to know. I shoot 50/50 of each through my casull so I have both cases to reload. Thanks
     
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  7. Benchrest

    Benchrest The Desert Planet Well-Known Member

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    45 Colt: The three tiers

    1: 14K - SAAMI max. Safe in all post-war / good working condition guns.
    2: 21K - 45ACP SAAMI max. Safe in New Ruger Vaquero (possibly others).
    3: On up... Ruger Blackhawk, Contender, etc - often noted in as Ruger / TC ONLY loads in manuals.

    45 Colt case strength, or lack thereof: This has been completely debunked, there's plenty to read on the subject. Want 'stronger' 45C brass? Trim 454 down.

    I own a New Vaquero, and while I've spent very little time behind the trigger, I've shot 260gr cast / coated behind Unique, 800X, & CSB-1. Loads ready for the next trip include True Blue, CFE Pistol, Clays, Bullseye, & 231.

    I see little benefit to loading (for the New Vaquero in 4.6") Tier 2 (Tier 3 is NOT safe in the New Vaquero).

    Now if I owned a Blackhawk it'd be an entirely different story :D

    Caveat emptor: This is an internet forum - I could be drunk, a vicious liar, or just plain stupid. Get your data from known load manuals.
     
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  8. Benchrest

    Benchrest The Desert Planet Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah, max velocity within the 14K spec: 2400, Blue Dot, #7, Titegroup, Longshot...
     
  9. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Which is it?
    If it's a drunk then I'm in good company

    But that is a thought for a few heavy loads,if necessary,to trim down a few 454 brass
     
  10. ogre

    ogre Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    So the question is what are some of your favorite powders?


    I prefer Olde Eynsford FFF.
     
  11. thorborg

    thorborg portland oregon Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Jacketed;
    I like Unique & IMR 4227 for Jacketed neighboring 1K + in speed

    These I've used with lead sans gas check & less than 900fps;
    Alliant's Unique is good.
    Used a lot of Hercules Unique but it was before I had a chronograph.
    Taking more of a liking to IMR4227 . not sure why other than I was gifted a bunch of it.
    Red Dot a low cost fill in but messy in my opine.
    I've read Blue Dot but I haven't tried it
    Hercules Bulls eye
    & Dupont 700X if it is still around
    And Yah, there is always Black powder for those who really enjoy detail cleaning of their guns and hands plus like waiting for the cloud to disappear to see if you hit anything. I've definitely done my share but wouldn't waste a jacketed slug with it.
     
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  12. oremike

    oremike Creswell, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    trail boss is good for up to about 950fps, HS-6, True-Blue are good mid range powders.
     
  13. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Well I got some 454 brass in for it.Now I need a case trimmer and some dies
     
  14. noylj

    noylj high desert Active Member

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    Best is to look in your reloading manual.
    If you want a magnum, buy a magnum. If you want a .45 Colt, load it as a .45 Colt. To me, the .45 Colt is a lead bullet round, so I have little experience with jacketed bullets.

    Unique
    Universal

    200gn JHP:
    Many claim that TiteGroup is about the "most" accurate powder with 200 gn bullets. I haven't seen it, but that might be where to start.
    7.0-7.5gn TG
    9.0-9.3gn Universal
    9.3-9.8gn Unique

    250gn JHP:
    Power Pistol and 3N37 are reportedly very good. Have not tested.
    ~9.0gn Power Pistol
    ~8.5gn Universal
    ~9.0gn Unique
    ~10.7gn 3N37

    Don't use any load data unless verified in YOUR manuals.
     
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  15. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I do have 3 manuals but it's always nice to ask the reloaders on ere what their favorites are for something to try out
    I don't like 44 mags and this gun came up so I will try out a few heavy loads just to have around.It will definitely not be a regular load. Nice cowboy loads or a little better will be the norm
    I mean most animals,2 or 4 legged ain't gunna much like 250-300 grains hitting them not matter how fast it's going
     
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  16. Benchrest

    Benchrest The Desert Planet Well-Known Member

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    My thoughts exactly - I figure there's a bit more to the equation than just foot lbs when you get up to the 45 cal (John Taylor's knockout formula).

    260grs moving 950fps should encourage most creatures in the lower 48 to, well, experience an adverse reaction (death).

    .02
     
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  17. noylj

    noylj high desert Active Member

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    >I don't like 44 mags and this gun came up so I will try out a few heavy loads just to have around.It will definitely not be a regular load.
    As long as you don't load Ruger/TC data, I am sure you are good to go.
    A hot .45 Colt will feel like a .44 Mag.
    A .44 Mag, loaded light, will feel like a .45.
    You're the reloader--make the loads you want, as long as they are safe.
    I just prefer to load down than to load up--saves wear-and-tear on the gun.
     
  18. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Trust me,the Vaquero will last more heavy loads than my hands will,so no problem hurting the gun
     
  19. therealhitman

    therealhitman USA Well-Known Member

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    +1 for 700x.

    Bulkier in the big case than Bullseye and not position sensitive.

    6.0 grains under a 250ish FRN is well behaved in my Blackhawk out to nearly 75 yds.
     
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