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.45 acp stopping power

Discussion in 'Handgun Discussion' started by slightly disturbeds dad, Dec 15, 2012.

  1. slightly disturbeds dad

    slightly disturbeds dad OC ,Or New Member

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    I am loading for a .45 acp and need to know the best bullet weight for max stopping power. On paper the 185 gr bullet has superior velocity and energy compared to the 230 gr bullet. I have always used 230 gr bullets but looking at spec sheets the 185 gr bullet appears to be superior. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. tdb59

    tdb59 OR Active Member

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    Squidly Sandy Active Member

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  4. the4thshake

    the4thshake Portland Active Member

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    Either will work if you put it in the right spot.
     
  5. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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  6. Squidly

    Squidly Sandy Active Member

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    Kinetic energy is over rated. The theory of dumping maximum kinetic energy in the intended target creates maximum trauma is only theory.

    K = 1/2 Velocity squared X Mass

    Any old hunter can tell you that a fat slow bullet causes more trauma than small fast one.

    Momentum and frontal area does the real work.

    Momentum = Velocity X Mass

    Concerning knock down power,

    Force = Mass X Acceleration

    Stop watching so much TV.
     
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  7. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    Quit worrying about bullets and practice shot placement

    [video=youtube;tku8YI68-JA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA[/video]
     
  8. NoviceSquared

    NoviceSquared portland Member

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    I've been looking for that video for months!

    And yeah, "Energy" and "Knock-Down Power" are irrelevant. Penetration and placement are the biggest factors in a "quick" stop.

    Heavier bullets usually are better in terms of penetration. 230gr Hornady XTP, Winchester PDX, Federal HST are what I usually go for.
     
  9. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The best round for stopping power is the one that hits the bad guy just below the chin dead center exiting the neck dead center removing the top 3" of the spinal column and cord. Remove the brain stem and not even reflex actions will take place.

    I've shot two deer the same way and they fell like a pile of bricks in their foot prints.
     
  10. Will_Power

    Will_Power OR via OK Active Member

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    "Shot placement is king, magazine capacity is queen, and caliber is but a lowly duke."
     
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  11. Trailboss

    Trailboss Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Actually, shot placement is king, therefore mag capacity is not queen, rather caliber/weight is. A perfect shot with a 22 long rifle vs a 45 ACP has a huge difference in impact. Two well placed shots with the 45 auto, game over. Forget that banana clip of 22 LR.
     
  12. SynapticSilence

    SynapticSilence Battle Ground, WA Well-Known Member

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    If you're talking about reloading for self-defense, I personally would urge you to reconsider. Legally, shooting someone with a reload you made for maximum stopping power will take a lot more explaining than buying one of the myriad of great self-defense products that are on the market.

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  13. Spray-n-pray

    Spray-n-pray Battle Ground Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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  14. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    I reload the Sierra 185 grain HP. I get well over 1150 FPS with Blue Dot powder and a standard primer out of a Government length barrel 1911. That's a stomping round

    I highly recommend using a Lee taper crimp die, it will make your ammo feed a LOT better
     
  15. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    It's basically never happened. OK one time in the NE libtard zone

    Hands Spray-n-Pray some butter for his popcorn
     
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  16. clambo

    clambo Vancouver, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    Massad Ayoob has made a career for himself by spreading that largely untrue statement. This from a guy who has never actually been in a gun fight and brags about how his body armor saved his life from....the steering column in his Jeep Cherokee. He is a hell of a good shot but past that......yawn. I pretty much feel that same way about that Larry Vickers guy. Good shot but a little too in love with himself. Also evidently the fattest guy in S.F. history...maybe Army history for that matter. Anyway....always remember to consider the source and check your facts. Explain nothing. Last time I checked it is not required. That's why you have an attorney.
     
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  17. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    I have Ayoobs first book and it is largely obsolete now
     
  18. glockman99

    glockman99 Hoquiam, WA. Active Member

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    I'll stick with the factory-loaded Speer 230 grain Gold Dot for my S&W 4506.
     
  19. SynapticSilence

    SynapticSilence Battle Ground, WA Well-Known Member

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    I reload all my non-carry ammo. As reliable as I am in my process and having never had a squib or overcharged round, I still wouldn't carry reloaded as self-defense. And I didn't get that from Ayoob or anyone other then my own 13 years of regularly testifying in court hearings and my healthy respect I've developed for prosecuting attorneys having exceptional abilities to make juries and judges see what they want them to see. As to defense attorneys, most people will end up with public defenders. There are a few good ones. But not many. The legal process is heavily weighted against you if you actually end up in court. There is such an incredibly high number of great, time-tested self-defense ammo out there now that I just don't see the need to test out your theory that everything will turn out ok because your lawyer will protect you. It's completely avoidable risk you don't need to take. As to me checking my sources, it's a good idea not to assume what those sources are. It comes off a bit condescending when you do.
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  20. clambo

    clambo Vancouver, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    The first thing even the lamest of public defenders would tell you is to keep your mouth shut and discuss nothing with the police. I disagree with the notion that most people here would end up being defended in court by a public defender rather than a more expensive, but privately retained attorney. I'd say that the demographics on this board would show a better than average income level for most. Hardly indigent. To assume that we're a bunch of poor dumb yokels is well.....somewhat condescending.

    If I'm ever in a shooting......which I highly doubt will ever happen....say trillion to one odds.....I'll be using whatever is in whatever gun I have regardless of what Massad Ayoob thinks. Chances are it will be a reload, but maybe not. I'm not worried about it. About as much as I'm worried about the world ending Friday.
     
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