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This is my standard hiking carry in a Ruger GP100 4" 357 Magnum. Haven't had a chance to try it for defense; hope I don't have to. Certainly seems better than nothing.

180 gr. JHP (1,500fps/M.E. 899 ft. lbs.)

I would feel confident with the gun and caliber and your choice of ammo for SD against humans, cougars, coyotes, dogs, wolves, and other lightly built critters. And for handgun hunting deer. However, the ammo is totally wrong for SD against black bears. A jhp bullet in handgun calibers doesn't penetrate well enough to get through the skull of a charging black bear reliably. Handgun calibers don't both expand and penetrate well enough to kill a black bear reliably. You have to choose one or the other And people who live through bear attacks choose maximum penetration, which you get only from a hard cast bullet, not a jhp. For SD against black bears you need a hardcast bullet with a flat nose. Such as the HSM 180 grain hardcast sold by Midway.

The other bullet design that can reliably penetrate a bear skull is hard cast Keith style bullets. They also have a flat nose. HSM, Underwood, Buffalo Bore, and others make bear loads for 357 mag. Take a look. Anything with "bear load" in the name has a hard cast flat nose or Keith style bullet...NEVER a jhp.

Of course it's a problem that the optimal ammo for SD against humans or for deer hunting is the opposite from what you need for SD against bears.

When I was a young broad doing lots of solo hiking and camping, I initially carried a .357 (Colt, SW, or Ruger) loaded with jhp ammo. I was more concerned about SD against bad humans than conflicts with wildlife. Then one day my dog and I surprised a bear at very close range, well within the attack distance. Had a cross breeze and dog clearly did not know what was making the noise in the blackberry patch, but it was obviously big. Dog took up a position between noise and me. Suddenly a black bear appeared and froze. So did dog, about 12' from bear. So did I, about 22' from bear, a 6" Ruger Security Six in my hands pointed directly at bear. I had complete confidence in my ability to land a shot in the bear's head should it charge. But I wasn't loaded for bear! There was a good chance that the 158gr Winchester Silver tip bullets in my gun would not penetrate bear skull . crap! Most likely bear would charge dog though, and she would bate it and dodge and keep it busy without closing with it, but I would need to rescue my dog by shooting bear. Dog, bear and I stood motionless and silent for what seemed like forever . Then bear ran back into berry patch. Dog gave chase barking excitedly . I yelled "Out!" and dog immediately dropped chase and came back.

After that I always carried a 357 mag or .44 mag with bear loads, not people loads for woods SD. I discovered that I have much more confidence in my ability to protect myself from bad people if loaded for bear than against a bear if loaded for people.
 
Of course it's a problem that the optimal ammo for SD against humans or for deer hunting is the opposite from what you need for SD against bears.
true, but not so much from the opposite direction. Hardcast bullets are still very effictive for SD or deer hunting the only trade off is pass thrus. Out in the woods thats not so much of a concern for SD. Hunting however if I recall legally requires a soft point or expanding bullet though. Just making a note for the SD aspect of this, in the woods specifically.
 
How have people in this thread, besides Tlock, have actually shot a good number of bears? And more importantly, shot a charging one with a handgun? Because this reads like a whole lot of "I heard it on the Internet so it must be true" and not very much "I carried this and survived"
 
How have people in this thread, besides Tlock, have actually shot a good number of bears? And more importantly, shot a charging one with a handgun? Because this reads like a whole lot of "I heard it on the Internet so it must be true" and not very much "I carried this and survived"
How else can anyone judge what they need for bear protection?
 
How else can anyone judge what they need for bear protection?
"Been there, done that, got the scar right here" is much more convincing than "Alfonso on the tele-toob said this widget does more gooder than that one"
 
How have people in this thread, besides Tlock, have actually shot a good number of bears? And more importantly, shot a charging one with a handgun? Because this reads like a whole lot of "I heard it on the Internet so it must be true" and not very much "I carried this and survived"
I came close in northern CA, but it turned out to be a hairy fat chick with hemorrhoids taking a dump in the woods.
 
Go find a pissed off bear.....better yet a 3/4 alive road struck bear and track it down in the dark with a weak flashlight and 2 scared jr state troopers behind ya shaking like a dog sh!tting a peach seed. That'll wake ya up!
For future reference, you may be safer locking the two "scared jr state troopers" in the trunk of their cruiser rather than having to worry about what they are doing behind you.
 
For future reference, you may be safer locking the two "scared jr state troopers" in the trunk of their cruiser rather than having to worry about what they are doing behind you.
I was definitely uneasy, I'd prefer to go in alone. I was less worried about the bear at that point. A different time a wounded bear was just off the road in some brush making a god awful noice, i arrived to 2 osp troops standing in the bed of there pickup with ars scared to death. When the bear started moving they proceeded to mag dump. After they assumed it was dead and put there guns away I slipped in and killed it with my suppressed 22.
 
true story of a guy who fought a "measly" black bear with a glock. Not a grizzly bear, a black bear.

Wow that's a hell of a story that guy had. Having to basically cut the bears head off to release it from his leg. Wow.
 
I wonder if someone made a lightweight .308 pistol if that would be an option. Seems like they all weigh about 8 lbs though and size is about 23", much higher than a reg pistol.
 

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