4 questions --Moving to Oregon from China this month

[guyfromChina]

Find me a politician somewhere in the political dead zone between Ralf Nader and Ron Paul and I'll consider voting for him. I am politically active I talk politics with people all the time and do my best to influence the views of those around me. But I won't endorse someone with my vote if I find many of their positions morally reprehensible.

Ok theoretical election, Hitler vs Stalin vs Mao, quick who's your candidate?

 

[guyfromChina]

Your opening post was full of nothing but oxymorons. Maybe your doc should take you off some of your prescriptions.

Yes, because anyone whose life and views don't fit into your narrow world view is an oxymoronic troll-baiter.. Right? Ok Cadre whatever you say.

 

[simon99]

So, I'm new on this forum ( as are you), and just wanted to chime in that, for a new member, you're being rather disrespectful, not only to the other members on the forum, but to every American who believes in democracy by voting, serving in the military or supporting their political party. I'm pretty sure every member on this forum votes with 2A rights clearly in mind and for you to disregard that is pretty distasteful to say the least....

 

[guyfromChina]

If youre "really really liberal" why isnt california the spot for you?
Essentially thats what your elected officials neuter every citizens personal rights to

I mentioned that I don't vote because I was essentially being told that as a non conservative I was unwelcome in Oregon, that I belong in Cali, and that I'm responsible for stripping my fellow Americans of their rights.

All I wanted was to get some information that is important to me as an Armed citizen and a future Oregonian. My thread has now been hijacked and will soon degenerate into a flame war. But I will continue to politely ask for suggestions about dealing with my CHL dilemma. And I will continue to stand up for myself.

for a new member, you're being rather disrespectful... to every American who believes in democracy... for you to disregard that is pretty distasteful to say the least....

I am a citizen of the United States of America and I am entitled to express my political views that neither political party represents me. It's the attitude that I mustn't say such things that is disrespectful, disregarding, and distasteful!

I only mentioned that I'm liberal to explain why asking my friends in Oregon to be character references is inconvenient.I didn't intend to wave a red flag.

Hey,

Brutus57
ZA_Survivalist
oknow
&
simon99

You know, the Rural pop. of Oregon is disappearing, moving into Portland for jobs only to have their political will dissipated and diluted. Gun rights in Oregon will go the same way as Colorado. You know how to stop that? Get more liberals to become armed citizens. You know how to do that? Stop being such D-bags to anyone who disagrees with you. You know what else? This is a gun forum so isn't the OVERRIDING principle here that guns are good? If you want to peck at someone for how they vote or don't vote then why not do it at a politics forum?

Since I'll be new to the area, if you can't give me any help on the specific questions I asked, how bout... suggesting a favorite shooting range? Or... recommend a gunsmith who can help me turn my PS-90 into a SBR? Or... A good place to get ammo cheap.

I hope that if we end up next door neighbors, you're more courteous in the real world than you are on these forums.

 

[Both Eyes Open]

I think that the OP has his right to post what he wants in the introductions section and not get slammed out of the gate for not sharing the far right views of some of our forum members. Should he vote? Sure, but should he have to? That's the joy of our rights. He has the RIGHT not to if he chooses. The fact that he is here and is opening honest dialogue shows that he supports the 2A and we need those folks as friends not foes! I'm telling you all that we need more friends from the left that support guns to give our cause more legitimacy nationwide! Thank you Guyfromchina for your post and welcome to the board. I too tend to lean left on many social issues but feel VERY strongly about our 2A rights! I do vote but I sympathize with you on the fact that finding worthwhile politicians is a challenging process! Be well and I wish you the best in your searches. As for the rest of the forum members, lets all stick together and win our battle for our rights. I respect each and every one of you for being as proactive as you are. All my best!

 

[Colt Carbine]

Gun rights in Oregon will go the same way as Colorado. You know how to stop that? Get more liberals to become armed citizens. You know how to do that? Stop being such D-bags to anyone who disagrees with you.

I can't say I disagree with getting more liberals to become armed citizens, it is the single most thing that helps the unlearning process of being a bleeding heart liberal.

A lot of folks in the gun crowd can get a little over bearing at times, to the point that it is counter productive and creates a further divide amongst citizens.

To their defense though, I can attest that it can be very trying on one's patience when dealing with some liberals in person. No different than if the shoe is on the other foot.

While I was never a bleeding heart liberal, up until Bill Clinton's Administration I was a Conservative Democrat. I was raised under the assumption that the Democrats were the working man's parties and the Republicans were the evil rich men.

Fact of the matter, is that both parties are comprised of evil rich lawyers and/or career politicians who have been destroying the very foundation of this country and making every attempt possible with whatever issue is out there in keeping the citizenry divided amongst it's own party lines much less between both parties.

As far as rent goes, expect to fork out $700-$1500 per month depending on location and size/type of dwelling.

 

[RVTECH]

You know, the Rural pop. of Oregon is disappearing, moving into Portland for jobs

Not all of us.

 

[guyfromChina]

$700-$1500 ? I just need a room. Maybe I'd better sty in China?

 

[Brutus57]

You are certainly entitled to your liberal views. Legally, socially, morally and, i dare say, ethically. Yes, some of us are sensitive about the 2nd amendment so you hit a raw nerve when you talked about your lack of voting. Short of armed insurrection as our forefathers our vote is the only thing the anti 2As will listen to. The country's changed a lot in the 12 years you've been overseas. Most liberals refuse to listen to reasoned factual arguments when it comes o firearms. We have politicians who will support a left wing call for war but previously, in a scenario that far more justified action, were vehemently against a right wing supported war.

Bottom line you are concerned about your ability to defend yourself but you don't choose to help guarantee that right. 40 years ago a small town near Tacoma had an old gas station garage. It's owner posted a sign that was as appropriate then as it is today: If you didn't vote don't bubblegum. I would think based on your overseas experiences you could see what happens when a population is disarmed and cowed.

Some of us believe the Bill of Rights is and should always be the law of the land. we vote and write letters to do our parts as citizens of this republic.

I'd suggest you move in to an open carry county. That way you can blend in with all of us gun toting rednecks. Do you know there are people in jail today simply exercising their right to bear arms? Your right to bear arms.
Because if we lose that right.... Welcome to the gulag and remember Lenin and Stalin made sure the intellectuals were the first in line for re-education.

Brutus out

 

[Sstrand]

Why would anyone with a choice want to move to Oregon. This is the liberal capital of the world.
I was born here in 1938 and I suggest you consider Idaho.
You would be welcomed to Eastern Oregon but would still be controlled by the people in the Northwestern cesspool of liberalism.

Sheldon

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

I mentioned that I don't vote because I was essentially being told that as a non conservative I was unwelcome in Oregon, that I belong in Cali, and that I'm responsible for stripping my fellow Americans of their rights.

All I wanted was to get some information that is important to me as an Armed citizen and a future Oregonian. My thread has now been hijacked and will soon degenerate into a flame war. But I will continue to politely ask for suggestions about dealing with my CHL dilemma. And I will continue to stand up for myself.



I am a citizen of the United States of America and I am entitled to express my political views that neither political party represents me. It's the attitude that I mustn't say such things that is disrespectful, disregarding, and distasteful!

I only mentioned that I'm liberal to explain why asking my friends in Oregon to be character references is inconvenient.I didn't intend to wave a red flag.

Hey,

Brutus57
ZA_Survivalist
oknow
&
simon99

You know, the Rural pop. of Oregon is disappearing, moving into Portland for jobs only to have their political will dissipated and diluted. Gun rights in Oregon will go the same way as Colorado. You know how to stop that? Get more liberals to become armed citizens. You know how to do that? Stop being such D-bags to anyone who disagrees with you. You know what else? This is a gun forum so isn't the OVERRIDING principle here that guns are good? If you want to peck at someone for how they vote or don't vote then why not do it at a politics forum?

Since I'll be new to the area, if you can't give me any help on the specific questions I asked, how bout... suggesting a favorite shooting range? Or... recommend a gunsmith who can help me turn my PS-90 into a SBR? Or... A good place to get ammo cheap.

I hope that if we end up next door neighbors, you're more courteous in the real world than you are on these forums.

I did take a jab at your political standpoint, if read how I meant it I intended for it to be interpreted as sarcasm.
However we've had more than a few dubious "new members" come onto the forum with dubious and nefarious posts and "questions" that seem to be more baiting than anything.
Most often to get folks on here riled up and record it for what ever reason or to seek illegal advice. In todays political climate that isn't too much of a stretch to assume new members on a board asking such things have ulterior motives.

I hope to god rural parts of OR don't succumb to urban city life.
I very much enjoy being a blue collar "redneck" of sorts.

It is frustrating to see folks vote right or left and not see the clear signs of their parties tyrannical reach for power. Again both left and the right are to that point.
So broadcasting your contradictory political stance Made it seem like your post was an oxymoron thus the initial sarcasm.

With that said, welcome to the forum.
Politically heated threads pop up every week but its all in good fun.
Good luck.

 

[RVTECH]

I want the drug addicts to be given methadone and food stamps so they won't bother breaking into my home

You might want to rethink this position. Check the public notices of almost anywhere in Oregon and you will find probably 80% of crime is directly RELATED to drug abuse. At least these were the statistics compiled by Deschutes County a few years ago. And we no longer have 'Food Stamps'

 

[ma96782]

I live in Vancouver, WA. along the I-205 side. It's 15 mins, right across the river from Portland, OR. The property taxes are just as high but, you might be able to find a house that suits you for a lower price. We pay a use tax (sales tax) but, you could always do your shopping in Portland for major items. Yes, technically, I do owe a tax to WA for everything I buy in Portland, OR. Anyway, there are no taxes on food shopping here (not counting a restaurant). And, there are no income taxes in Washington state. In OR you'll be paying it.

I hear that the water bills are high in Portland. Because, they are paying for sewer system re-construction in downtown Portland. Elec rates....I have no idea.

Gas is about 10 cents per gallon cheaper in Portland vs Vancouver, WA. And, in OR you'll have an attendant to fill your tank. In WA you fill your own tank.

_____________________

As for shooting......

OK.....there is limited class 3 freedom in WA (i.e. no full auto). As an OR resident, if you can find a sheriff to sign off......that is a plus. With more and more companies charging taxes for internet sales. Well, think of the money you'll save on the cases of ammo you'll be buying. LOL.

Getting a WA CCW is simple. In OR you have to go to a class. And, WA doesn't recognize OR's CCW and visa versa.

Because of the use tax (sales tax) in WA.....I try not to buy new guns in WA. Any gun sales by a FFL/store in WA is subject to the tax. So, I try to buy USED guns in WA from private sellers. Yeah....technically, I guess I owe taxes for that transaction......sorry about that Governor.

But......if I wanted to buy a new or used rifle. I can always go to OR and pay their background check fee ($10). Then, take it back home to WA. Again, technically, I guess I owe taxes for that transaction......sorry about that Governor.

If I want a handgun I have no choice but to pay the use tax. If I found a handgun in OR (as a WA resident) I'll be paying for shipping and the FFL fees and WA tax once it gets here to my WA FFL.

All thanks to the %@#^ing Government.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Smiddy]

Disappointing. If he was baiting; y'all took it hook line and sinker. We need more liberal in our ranks and I for one applaud him for sharing his "progressive" views. Teachers who carry are rare and they are shaping the next generations views on firearms. When you get here, maybe you can bring yourself to vote in local elections.

Stay away from Multnomah county. Its a great place for a hootenanny, but taxes can be burdensome. Washington county will get you an appointment next week for the background check, printing, etc.

The best place to live, price wise, is Clark County but you have to both live AND work in Washington, otherwise you get double taxed. Class3 laws aren't very appealing in Washington, but you will get the most bang for your buck when looking for rural property and can finds close in property for a bargain. If I wasn't locked into my job in Oregon, Id move there.

 

[Brutus57]

Find me a politician somewhere in the political dead zone between Ralf Nader and Ron Paul and I'll consider voting for him. I am politically active I talk politics with people all the time and do my best to influence the views of those around me. But I won't endorse someone with my vote if I find many of their positions morally reprehensible.

Ok theoretical election, Hitler vs Stalin vs Mao, quick who's your candidate?

Hmmm, you may be politically active and talk politics but the above theoretical election shows just how us poor backwards conservatives struggle with discussing politics with the liberals...you don't seem to have any sort of grasp of history if you are comparing the current crop of American politicians to Hitler, Stalin, Mao...? Seriously, think of how ridiculous that statement is.
I am sure you have conversed with people who lived under Mao's rule. I know that I have discussed politics with people who lived in Germany under Hilter and in Russia under Stalin, both before and during the Second World War. As distasteful as I find our current president for so many reasons and actions, I would never compare him to the above 3 despotic dictators. I relish a good political debate but it should be based on facts and reason, not wild histrionics.
Don't look now but there are those who are trying to kill the Second Amendment through the death of a thousand cuts. Factual examples are the state and county ordinances laws infringing in gun rights in several states, including Oregon.

Brutus Out

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

Disappointing. If he was baiting; y'all took it hook line and sinker. We need more liberal in our ranks and I for one applaud him for sharing his "progressive" views. Teachers who carry are rare and they are shaping the next generations views on firearms. When you get here, maybe you can bring yourself to vote in local elections.

I greatly disagree with the first part.
There is no luring them over to the free side where your freedom and liberty is your god given right and never at risk of abolishment.
Progressives hate freedom and happily trade is for security.
However, my forms of "security" is ultimatly my freedom if pushed to the brink.. Freedom from current tyranny.
Also Washington County wait times seem to be about three weeks to three months as of 6 months ago.. Thats on average perhaps more unless they got more hands on deck to help.

 

[coop44]

and they bubblegum about californians moving up here......

 

[Grunwald]

My wife and I have been living in China for 12 years and now that our twin daughters are nearly 6 we've decided to move back to the U.S. for the better education system. (Don't believe the hype about China's education system. It is a Gulag! My wife (who's Chinese) and I are university teachers, of English teaching methodology / pedagogy, so we'd know)

I'm originally from Indiana but we decided that we wanted to live near (but not in) Portland. My parents are moving out there to live with us and my father-in-law and his wife may eventually join us. My mom and I will be arriving in Oregon the third week of October to start looking at houses / land and start building a house / addition.

Our friends have a house in Portland & spend the rainy season in Florida, they've generously offered us use of their house for half a year. Even though we may eventually buy property in Multnomah county, initially I'd rather rent in a nearby county. A county where the sheriff doesn't think its ok to make me apply to wait months, for an appointment, to apply for permission, to be granted a license, which gives me permission, to have the ability to exercise the most fundamental right of any living being.

The main reason we chose Oregon over California (FYI we are really really liberal) are the gun laws. In Indiana I got my CCP at age 18 and it took maybe a week or two.

I knew that in Oregon laws differed from Indiana, that I'd need to take a gun safety class etc... But the devil in really in the details isn't it! I mean, I'm going to be driving around in the country & forests with my mom (who's 70) and thanks to the Multnomah county commissioners I can't even have a handgun locked in the glovebox of my Subaru and keep a loaded mag in my pocket!

So I need to find a place outside Multnomah to rent. Not too far from Portland but in a county where public officials don't twist the law and abuse their office in order to advance their own personal agendas. My mom will probably stay in our friends' house, she has an Indiana CCP but she won't be in a hurry to get her OR CHL since she seldom carries anyway.

1) Any suggestions about which county (near portland) has fast CHL turaround?

2) Any suggestions on month by month renting in said county?

3) Also what do I do about "local character references"?

Everyone I know out there is liberal / progressive and people like me are more or less IN THE CLOSET on 2A issues. I mean it is one thing to mention organically in a political / philosophical conversation that self defense is a human right, but for armed liberals there is no "gundar" to tell us who shares our views and saying; "BTW I put you down as a character reference on my CHL application"; is sort of like standing in front of your conservative Christian church's congregation and saying "I'm here and queer...."

One more thing a few years ago when I cleared out the stuff I had stored in my parents house they only wanted to kept my 10/22 so I sold my AR & handguns.

4) What is a good place to buy a 4th gen g19, 2 Khar p380s, and a FN-PS90 OD standard?

Funny that someone who is an English professor does not know the meaning of the word "liberal". Stick with "progressive" and better yet stick to living in regions where you are amongst your own kind, instead of moving like locust to a place that is opposite your imagined utopian paradise. Too many previously liberal (as in where people had liberty and were free for government interference) areas have been overran by prograssives/statists who could not help themselves but to turn it into another quasi socialist stink hole.
My suggestion is head down to San Francisco.