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2nd ammendment under attack

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by fredball, Oct 23, 2012.

  1. fredball

    fredball Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    From the Owners of McMillan Mfg. in Phoenix,
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    Before passing this along, this was verified via e-mail with Kelly McMillan.



    McMillan has been a customer and produces rifles for our Military Snipers.
    This is happening all around us and we are allowing this socialist government to keep growing. McMillian Mfg in Phoenix, Arizona, was contacted by Bank of America and informed that they will no longer be allowed to use their services ( Bank of America ) because they are in the firearms business and support the second amendment.

    I am fine with you re-posting it. Thanks for your support.

    Kelly D. McMillan
    Director of Operations
    McMillan Group International, LLC
    1638 W Knudsen Dr
    Phoenix , Arizona 85027
    McMillan Integrity-Global Vision


    http://www.mcmill****a.com/
    McMillan Group International | Facebook

    McMillan Fiberglass Stocks, McMillan Firearms Manufacturing, McMillan Group International have been collectively banking with Bank of America for 12 years. Today Mr. Ray Fox, Senior Vice President, Market Manager, Business Banking, Global Commercial Banking (Bank of America) came to my office. He scheduled the meeting as an "account analysis" meeting in order to evaluate the two lines of credit we have with them. He spent 5 minutes talking about how McMillan has changed in the last 5 years and have become more of a firearms manufacturer than a supplier of accessories. At this point I interrupted him and asked "Can I possibly save you some time so that you don't waste your breath? What you are going to tell me is that because we are in the firearms manufacturing business you no longer want my business."
    "That is correct", he says. I replied "That is okay, we will move our accounts as soon as possible. We can find a 2nd Amendment friendly bank that will be glad to have our business. You won't mind if I tell the NRA, SCI and everyone one I know that B of A is not firearms-industry friendly?" "You have to do what you must", he said. "So you are telling me this is a politically motivated decision, is that right?" Mr. Fox confirmed that it was. At which point I told him that the meeting was over and there was nothing left for him to say.
    I think it is important for all Americans who believe in and support our 2nd amendment "right to keep and bear arms" should know when a business does not support these rights. What you do with that knowledge is up to you. When I don't agree with a business' political position, I cannot, in good Conscience support them. We will soon no longer be accepting Bank of America credit cards as payment for our products,

    Kelly D. McMillan
    Director of Operations
    McMillan Group International, LLC
    623-582-9635
    1638 W Knudsen Dr
    Phoenix , Arizona 85027
    McMillan Integrity-Global Vision
    http://www.mcmill****a.com/


    Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.

    "We the People, are the Rightful Masters of both Congress & the Courts, not to Overthrow the Constitution, but Overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.
     
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  2. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    old news

    But how is this an attack on the 2nd amendment? This would appear to be one private business chosing to do business with whom they chose. Right or wrong is that not their choice.

    The wife and I pulled all our money out of Chase bank when they took over Washington Mutual and started charging us for our free savings and checking accounts we have setup for our grand daughters college fund. It was our choice as was the banks for changing the terms of our account.
     
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  3. fredball

    fredball Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    the differance is this business makes firearms, and because of pressure from this administration the bank will no longer fund this business that is the differance.

    How it's and attack on 2nd ammendment when the day comes and it will under this admin when no banks are allowed to do business with firearms manufactures .
    then it will be too late
    this is just the tip of the ice berg
     
  4. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Especially considering that they took TARP funds (Taxpayer bailout) and were handed Merrill-Lynch on a platter.
     
  5. simpleguy

    simpleguy Clackamas Active Member

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    Yep, I agree with Mark W. This was on Guntalk with Tom Gresham over a year ago. I even refinanced my mortgage to get away from BofA.
     
  6. lamrith

    lamrith tacoma Active Member

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    Not sure how I see everyone jumping to the conclusion that the current administration is telling businesses who they can lend to? Any proof on this, asking honestly, is there any real proof, I would like to see it? BoA has always had a bad rap and been a PITA, this may just be one of thier higher-ups that is anti and trying to play high and mighty.

    Funny thing is the BoA's around me do not have any "no firearms" signs on the facilities that I have been able to find, seems a bit odd if the corporation is so anti firearm that they allow firearms inside the building..

    Sorry I am not happy with the current admin either, but it gets old hearing everything from global warming to the color of a butterfly blamed on them. Our country has been on this ill fated course for decades, not just 4 years...
     
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    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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  8. lamrith

    lamrith tacoma Active Member

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    Just because they lend one of his campaign companies $ does not mean that they even agree with his policies. A Loan is a loan, Any of us could be a extreme polygamist with 10 wives, just because Wamu gives us a home loan to build a 10k square foot house does not mean they support what we are doing. They loan $ based on the risk involved and the money to be made. Let alone that he is "pulling the string" of the company. Interesting as well is that the article states that he actually screwed them over in 08 with regards to the stadium to boot, can't see how much pull he would have as that cost them millions. If anything he should be doing what BoA wants, since he is indebt to them for the loan.

    Do we really think that mittens has not borrowed money either, does that mean those people he borrowed from are going to do what he wants?

    BoA could be anti firearms, but if they were then I would think the Co would mandate no firearms in any branches, and they obviously do not. Or it could be that the loan officer or manager were that Firearms company applied is anti guns... There are probably more VP's in BoA than people that have read this thread, so his title while sounding like the pinacle of the company may not mean much. Honestly how often would the true VP of a company the size od BoA go to a small fiberglass Co for a personal meeting?...

    Honestly get rid of all of them in DC, whitehouse, senate and the house and get some real american's in there, establish 2 term limits and lets get something done! No more career politicians, they are what has ruined things.

    Make no mistake the 2A has been under attack for a long long time. From all directions and sources. Including those that are supposedly pro 2a, but have no problem helping limit which guns we can have. That is an erosion of our rights as much as someone trying to outright take our firearms away completely, and inch by inch we lose our rights and the underlying reason behind it. Our fore fathers wrote the Second Amendement to keep the goverment in check as well as foreign entities. The citizens of the US can no longer mount a militia with any hope of holding the Govt accountable as we are now denied the tools that the military has, therfore we no longer have the balance of power as our forefathers intended.
     
  9. Misterbill

    Misterbill Yakima County, Washington New Member

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    This smells a bit, so I checked Snopes:

    "We contacted Bank of America for a response, and spokeswoman Anne Pace told us that while she could not comment on the bank's relationship with McMillan Group, she could tell us that Bank of America "has no policies that would prohibit us from doing business with clients in [the firearms] industry." As evidence, she pointed us to an April 2012 financial news article which mentioned, among other topics, a $250 million business deal involving Bank of America with Freedom Group Inc., one of the world's largest manufacturers of firearms and ammunition."

    Just because someone said it, doesn't make it true.

    And claiming that this is some kind of pressure thing from the Obama administration on BOA for this one, quite small business? I'm calling BS. 5-1 says there were some other problems we're not hearing about.
     
  10. mrblond

    mrblond Salem OR Well-Known Member

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    I wonder who Colt banks with. OR S&W. Honestly it doesn't matter much. Banks are just the mob, only they get paid better.
     
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  11. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    While exhibiting pretty typical corporate behavior of playing both sides, BoA seems to favor Republicans a bit more :

    Rank Contributor Total Contribs Total Dem% Repub%
    21 Bank of America $3,366,810 $3,256,718 25% 75%

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