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.22 vs shotgun...who came out on top?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by brausso, Mar 15, 2010.

  1. brausso

    brausso Mill Creek, WA Member

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    satinwood Portland Member

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    Thanks for the article. Very interesting.
     
  3. slingshot1943

    slingshot1943 salem or Well-Known Member

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    Leave it to a pot smoker to think a 22 is a home defense weapon.
     
  4. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    That guy is a dope :laugh:

    How can he possess and grow pot and have the right to own a gun under federal law?
     
  5. brausso

    brausso Mill Creek, WA Member

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    I'll agree with that, but then that opens a whole can of worms...

    What about alcohol and hi powered pain pills? Not sure either of those are any safer than being stoned.
     
  6. NWPilgrim

    NWPilgrim Portland area Member

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    Very interesting article. Several tactical points demonstrated.

    OPSEC - If you grow pot (or use lots of other popular drugs, or have other sorts of valuables/collections) don't advertise!

    Alarms - the guy had dogs who alerted him at 3:30am

    Physical security - home did not seems to have much barriers or locks to prevent entry, especially considering his activist job in the drug culture

    Weapons - the pot guy at least had a weapon if only a .22LR pistol. Not only that, he had a backup pistol for when the first one jammed.

    Decisive (He who shoots first wins) - the pot guy shot as soon as he saw someone in his house pointing a shotgun at him. In this case the .22Lr shooting first wins over the shotgun that is surprised and gets off a poor shot.

    Use enough gun - Had the pot guy used a more powerful gun, the intruder may not have had the chance to shoot at all. He was lucky to be missed.
     
  7. bugeye

    bugeye Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Unless I missed it, the article does not give the caiber of the 2nd handgun that was used after the first one jammed (bulk ammo?), so we don't know that was a 22. It was that 2nd handgun sent one of the perps to the hospital and drove them out of the house.

    I grab a 22 and a 9mm, this gives me some options.
     
  8. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    They are legal items.. I was making a purely legal point based on Federal law. Personally I could care less if people want to turn themselves into unproductive zombies with weed, as long as they steer clear of me and mine
     
  9. raftman

    raftman Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    So much for that, "With a shotgun, you don't even have to aim!" line people often use when trying to sell you a shotgun.
     
  10. 56kninja

    56kninja Portland Member

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    How bad of a shot are you that you miss with a shotgun at that range?
     
  11. turq

    turq Molino,oregon Member

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    Nice point Blitzkrieg...

    I like a 10mm with Double Tap 135gr. Noslers at 1600fps ;about 3mags worth.That with a green laser and a high intesity light after the three dogs wake me makes the odds just slightly more in My favor...
     
  12. FriendOfEvanWilliams

    FriendOfEvanWilliams Juneau, Alaska Member

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    Medicine is medicine under the law. Here in PDX the armed home invasion rate has gone up a huge percent (exact number evades me right now) because of the medical marijuana program. I'm not debating the right or wrong of the OMMP, but as American citizens operating within the rule of the law, patients need the right to defend themselves.

    Also, my main concern is how publicly available the list of homes containing many thousands of dollars worth of equipment and medicine is. Because it seems like any dingbat with a computer, a gun, and a mask is set to jet if they feel a little strapped for cash. Not only that, but most medical marijuana patients are stoned, and thus generally peaceful and laid back. Sounds like an easy target to me...that is until I remember that as law abiding citizens, these patients have the right to buy a gun and defend their life, their families life, and their private property. Whether or not they choose to is their business.

    Just think about how much a caregiver is sticking their neck out for the patient by growing medical marijuana in their home, putting their name on a list not only watched closely by the government, but also by criminals. I think this man did a bang-up job defending his home no matter what caliber he chose. Think about how he must have felt with a shotgun pointed at him armed with nothing but a .22? He still held his ground and fended off the intruders. Which is more than most of us can say with our bigger caliber guns that we have never had to use to defend ourselves.

    Sorry for the rant...it's coffee time :D
     
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  13. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    My point is the Feds do not consider it medicine, and the possession and or use of it is grounds under Federal law to deny RKBAs

    Do I agree with that if we're talking about pot for a medical condition? No, but if you'll remember the little yellow forms you fill out to buy a gun OTC, it specifically asks if you have ever used drugs, and if you answer yes, sale is denied

    Form 4473

    http://www.thundertek.net/documents/4473.pdf



    Note question E:

     
  14. FriendOfEvanWilliams

    FriendOfEvanWilliams Juneau, Alaska Member

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    Right, the key word is unlawful user. Have you ever had a prescription for Vicodin? I personally think that the medical marijuana program is a blatant back door to ending prohibition, and it dirties the name of the anti-prohibition movement. Also, I don't know WA laws at all so I'm a bit out of my league.
     
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    But pot doesnt lend its users to violence... pffffffft . Stoners are stupid, but greed corrupts all it touches.

    Even if its legalized fully, it will STILL be a problem for a time to come after initial legalization.
     
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    turq Molino,oregon Member

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    cw009;;; and there are more great shooters on the range AND under fire; that are excellent because they practice until it is in their nature.
     
  17. FriendOfEvanWilliams

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    Ain't that the truth. All these years after the end of alcohol prohibition and we still have rampant alcoholism, not to mention the awful liquor control commissions. But back on topic...this just goes to show the point that a .22 is better than a pointed stick.
     
  18. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Sure, but the reality is the USA is awash in the stuff, already

    The super dangerous drug de jour is meth.. minimal use destroys the conscience centers of the brain, permanently
     
  19. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    If the invaders were close enough, a good short sword would have been better than the .22, and no repeat offenders or hospital costs that way ;)
     
  20. bugeye

    bugeye Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Maybe this why so few violent crimes are done by perps high on pot!