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1913 french MLE M16 St Etienne rifle m16

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by redmistnmysight, Mar 12, 2009.

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    BillM Well-Known Member Bronze Supporter

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    Caliber is 8mm Lebel. Yours appears to have a 5 rd magazine. I have
    a Berthier 1907/15 which is similar, but has a 3 rd magazine. Bought
    mine to accessorize a bayonet.

    Neat old guns, ammo is a bit hard to find.
     
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    great info. thanks. wish i had a bayonet for this one.:(
     
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    there is some vintage ammo on gunbroker for ok price. but it would seem like such a shame to use it. maybe when $ is more available, like thats gonna happen anytime soon.
     
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    Nice!!!! I've always liked the old Frenchie rifles...
     
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    Lost, permanently...
    Was it ever dropped in combat?

    :bluelaugh:
     
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    im pretty sure this saw combat and was likely "dropped". wether the gun or the body hit the ground first is a question i cant answer. but on the left side of the stock there is an intentional X cut into it. this is not like some of the other scrapes or small cuts on the stock, its old. i like to think its a kill mark, but it could merely just be identification mark for someones rifle.
     
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    coctailer I run with scissors.

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    Vintage 8 Lebel is prone to hang-fire as well.

    Keep it pointed down-range after the "click".............it will go off eventually. Never seen a dud.
     
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    hmmmm. sounds like fun. i love this forum, except for the addiction part.
     
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    Sounds like flintlocks - it would take me a while to get used to shooting anything with a delay like that...
     
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    coctailer I run with scissors.

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    The delay can be a lot worse than a flintlock. Still fun to shoot though.
     
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    Actually the bayonets are not all that uncommon. Metal grip with a round boss that fits the recess on your nosepiece. Round blued steel sheath.
    The "blade" is cruciform---4 cutting edges in an X. Too lazy to go measure it, but I'm guessing the blade length is around 16".


    A lot of dealers aren't even sure what the darned things fit.Had one tell me it was "civil war".
    He got a little irate when I asked him which civil war--cause it sure as heck
    wasn't the American one!

    They seem to run $50-$100 or so, but I've seen some down around $35.

    ETA: Link to bayonet pix.

    http://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/blade/armbay.htm

    My bayonet is like #300, and will fit your rifle. Possibly yours
    could have had one like #308 also.
     
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    Since the French Military School of Capitulation requires raising BOTH hands in surrender, I'd say that it was definitely dropped...most probably BEFORE combat actually started though. ;)

    Seriously, a neat rifle. Looks like a really nice example.

    Keith
     
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    does anybody know of a decent subsitiute for the 8mm lebel munition? preferably something that could be purchased localy. those are some serious looking bayonets. imagine getting stuck with one of those bad boys.