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12ga Bean bag

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by TCOV, Mar 3, 2010.

  1. TCOV

    TCOV OLYMPIC PENINSULA Active Member

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    I saw these 12ga bean bag shells on Cheaper Than Dirt and thought they might be usefull for indoors protection. Has anyone tried these or trained in law enforcement or crowd control with these rounds. Haven't got out to try them yet but wondered if they might be ok for first and second load in an indoor pump 12ga. They do say that close head or chest shot could be fatal but my thoughts were not likely to penetrate walls. I would like to hear from someone who has some experience with these and not just normal gunblog conjecture. Thanks.
     
  2. soberups

    soberups Newberg Well-Known Member

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    DootyBeet Salem Member

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    I've had the opportunity to shoot a few bean bags at a target about 6 months ago with some LEO's. They knocked the targets over and were really cool. (fun) You can actually see the bag fly. I think they're only effective to about 20 to 25 yards and then lose their trajectory due to no aerodyamics. I was told they can break ribs.
    BUT, I think there is no civilian use or reason for these things unless you just want to play. I think they'd just get you in a situation where you could have a reallly pissed off BG. IMO, Not worth the risk
     
  4. Iansstud

    Iansstud SW WA / PDX Member

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    If you need to use deadly force, USE deadly force!!! Dont think pissing off a BG will make things better!!! get some 000 bk shot.

    The only thing I would think of using one on, is a dog that is in my yard, buy why not just shoot it and be done with it...
     
  5. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Exactly Ian!
    Never brandish a firearm if you only intend to inflict bruises!
     
  6. soberups

    soberups Newberg Well-Known Member

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    If we are at the point where I am confronting somebody who is committing a felony by breaking into my home....the time for "less-lethal" options has long since passed.

    Bean bag rounds are pretty much like paintballs on steroids. They hurt like **** and will leave a big bruise and a welt. They are useful tools for police who must utilize a continuum of force, but they serve no purpose for a civilian who is trying to protect himself.
     
  7. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't use them for fear that if the guy DID die (accidental headshot) they could make the argument that you couldn't have been in fear for your life because you picked up the bean bag gun, but you used it in such a way that the poor poor criminal died.

    If I fear for my life or the lives of my family, I will use deadly force and not look back.
     
  8. TCOV

    TCOV OLYMPIC PENINSULA Active Member

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    Thanks everyone for their opinions. I did shoot some of these rounds yesterday at about 20 to 25 yards and thats past the range for them, dropping fast but probably wouldn't feel good. The paperwork with these says 7yds minimum range for a heavily clothed person and close range torso and head hits could be fatal. My thoughts were not about severe injury or death of the intruder but minimizing danger to anyone else in the house. I wouldn't bother with them for defense outdoors. I will probably just save them for this summer when the deer raid the garden. About 20 to 25 yards from basement door to garden, shouldn't injure them but send them packing. I will stick with buck shot for home defense. By the way these did have reduced noise and mild recoil.
     
  9. Dr.Z

    Dr.Z Vancouver/Metro Member

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    DocZ
     
  10. Deavis

    Deavis Mid Willamette Valley Active Member

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    I have extensive experience with these in 12 ga in training and the field...... I dont have ANY in my HOUSE.

    37 or 40mm might be a different story though :) but for a repeater.. the SAGE gun is a tad spendy.