“We’re not coming out to save you”

[bbbass]

Protest for the sake of protest is worse than idiotic, it's a danger to society as we know it. Which seems to be precisely Antifa's intent. They don't appear to want to move the dial in a particular direction, they want to destroy the dial. No thought for what comes next, just trash the system.

Not a lot of deep thinkers in that group...

They are anarchists. Devolutionists, deconstructionists. This is what they have been taught. And they are organized. We don't talk about that a lot. But they are organized along the lines of Al Queda. There are operational cells that activate as needed. There are leaders that preach "Screw the Man", and that violence is warranted. It is an approved function and the doctrine of their leaders.

Wiki has a total of one line on Mark Bray, an AntiFa professor/advisor. But take a look at the HUGE amount of additional reading by these radicals!!! Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook - Wikipedia

 

[American123]

Antifa are like Coyotes. As a pack or while picking on what they perceive to be a weaker person they are brazen, as individuals, when they meet a stout adversary, they turn tail or scream and keep their distance.

This whole matter would be resolved across the nation inside of a week if it were left to vigilantism.

"Brown shirts," aren't a new concept, they have just adopted a new color this time.

Since the law generally chooses to ignore their illegal actions, it will take more than words to put an end to it.

 

[awshoot]

I dont know about you but a gang of masked men charge me and spray me with mace..im not waiting to see if they are going to beat me to death afterward so im spraying back but i dont cary mace.

It is worth remembering the adage, don't go to stupid places with stupid people at stupid times. I get that it is disturbing to see mobs rampage, but it is also best to avoid them and the years of legal trouble and expense.

 

[turbo_vanner]

at least antifa isnt a threat to domestic security like white supremacists. Really though, pretty much everything everyone has said about antifa can be said about the white supremacists they tussle with during their play dates. They're all dumb, they're all predatory, they're all too weak by themselves, they all hide their faces, etc.

Racially-motivated violent extremists elevated to "national threat priority," FBI director says

FBI director says the threat posed by domestic extremists is "on the same footing" as threats posed by foreign terrorist organizations like ISIS and its sympathizers.

www.cbsnews.com

You could also reason that if there was no white supremacist problem, there would be no antifa problem. I haven't heard a peep from them since bus loads of out of state racists felt like trolling around downtown portland.

 

[bbbass]

That is what I have been trying to tell you. If SB1538 passes, get ready for a maze of "Gun Free" Zones including all real estate owned by EOU, and around buildings owned by State, County, City, plus the Hospital. Good luck getting across town without becoming a fellon.

I guess we'll see, won't we.

I need a haircut... will be happy to go to my barbershop which has one of these on the door as many other places do here:

 

[Mikej]

I dont know about you but a gang of masked men charge me and spray me with mace..im not waiting to see if they are going to beat me to death afterward so im spraying back but i dont cary mace.

Seems to me that a person could absolutely consider their life in danger when an angry, shouting mob of black clad, mask wearing, club wielding, mace carrying people were coming at him, but shooting at them in potland would certainly put the attackee in a hellish nightmare for many years to come. Michael Strickland comes to mind. As a matter of fact, just typing what you typed, here on the webs for ever more, could be used as evidence that you premeditated the act.

 

[Heywood]

at least antifa isnt a threat to domestic security like white supremacists. Really though, pretty much everything everyone has said about antifa can be said about the white supremacists they tussle with during their play dates. They're all dumb, they're all predatory, they're all too weak by themselves, they all hide their faces, etc.

Racially-motivated violent extremists elevated to "national threat priority," FBI director says

FBI director says the threat posed by domestic extremists is "on the same footing" as threats posed by foreign terrorist organizations like ISIS and its sympathizers.

www.cbsnews.com

You could also reason that if there was no white supremacist problem, there would be no antifa problem. I haven't heard a peep from them since bus loads of out of state racists felt like trolling around downtown portland.

Well according to the left. Everyone who voted for and still supports President Trump is racist. Its been stated many times by democrat politicians and pundits as well as news media talking heads in the last few years.
Not to mention the last few decades of the left calling everyone that disagrees with their ideals as either racist or misogynist or just plain mean spirited.
Then, there is this little interesting bit...
32% of democrats believe white people criticizing POC is racist.
my guess is that this 32% is the farthest left 15%-20% of the population that probably fully supports what Anquifa does. Including the lefties that write news articles calling any right of center protest a kkk rally.
Their enablers are just as guilty in my opinion.

 

[turbo_vanner]

Well according to the left. Everyone who voted for and still supports President Trump is racist. Its been stated many times by democrat politicians and pundits as well as news media talking heads in the last few years.
Not to mention the last few decades of the left calling everyone that disagrees with their ideals as either racist or misogynist or just plain mean spirited.
Then, there is this little interesting bit...
32% of democrats believe white people criticizing POC is racist.
my guess is that this 32% is the farthest left 15%-20% of the population that probably fully supports what Anquifa does. Including the lefties that write news articles calling any right of center protest a kkk rally.
Their enablers are just as guilty in my opinion.

crap like this doesn't really help. The guy himself admits they join up with PP and PB groups because they know they're welcome.

Band of Others: KKK leader says Gibson aligned with white supremacists

Former Mississippi Imperial Wizard Steven Shane Howard hopes to hold events in Portland and Vancouver early this year.

pamplinmedia.com

 

[Unicykle]

Seems to me that a person could absolutely consider their life in danger when an angry, shouting mob of black clad, mask wearing, club wielding, mace carrying people were coming at him, but shooting at them in potland would certainly put the attackee in a hellish nightmare for many years to come. Michael Strickland comes to mind. As a matter of fact, just typing what you typed, here on the webs for ever more, could be used as evidence that you premeditated the act.

This is America I have freedom to travel where I wish when I wish and if I have an estimate downtown for work at a specific time and date I'm going to be there. Speaking of that I was in old town Portland on Saturday and I couldn't believe the amount of homeless trash and by that I mean semi human beings I had to literally step over on the sidewalk and the amount of human feces and hyper dermic needles and piss,I can't wait to get out of here to a smaller town

 

[Mikej]

This is America I have freedom to travel where I wish when I wish and if I have an estimate downtown for work at a specific time and date I'm going to be there.

At least your getting paid for it. AND, the benefit of making you feel better about where you live well away from that mess.

 

[bbbass]

My wife and I were discussing this morning how demographics in La Grande are changing. We are becoming a bedroom community for Bend... not the old Bend, but the new Bend. Good old conservative La Grande was taken over years ago by the University leaders, now we have homeless, a Warming Station, high rents, and a growing population comprised of retired and welfare recipients... quite the dichotomy.

I just got a notice that this post was edited by a mod. Didn't say what or why. WTF???

 

[Stomper]

I've said this before, and I'll say it AGAIN.... the cops DO NOT protect me as I have that WELL covered. I don't (generally) do stupid things that'll get me into a jam, and basically I have no real use for them except to fill out the after-action report.... no offense to cops meant in the slightest. I strive to make their jobs as easy as possible.

 

[Member 5605]

Agree with me or I'm going to punch you.

E plurbis unum.... right?

 

[EHJ]

Agree with me or I'm going to punch you.

E plurbis unum.... right?

"By Any Means Possible."

 

[NW Backpacker]

at least antifa isnt a threat to domestic security

Tell that to the people antifa injured, the owners of cars antifa damaged, or owners of businesses vandalized by antifa.

like white supremacists

Like the ones who attacked Jussie? Here's an article about that, written by the same woman (Erin Donaghue) who wrote the FBI article in your link:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jussie-smollett-indicted-on-new-charged-related-to-alleged-hate-crime-hoax/

More articles by Erin. See a pattern here?

https://muckrack.com/erindonaghue/articles

Quote from your article: "Racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, or domestic terrorists motivated by racial or religious hatred, make up a "huge chunk" of the FBI's domestic terrorism investigations, Wray said in statements before the Senate Homeland Security Committee last November. The majority of those attacks are "fueled by some type of white supremacy," he said."

Here are the FBIs most wanted for domestic terrorism - don't see many charged with white supremacy related crimes - one said she was advocating Communism - maybe Bernie ought to be on this list:

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt

Most wanted for terrorism (not just domestic):

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

Another quote from your article: "In his State of the Union address Tuesday night, President Trump mentioned the fight against "radical Islamic terrorism" but not the terror threat fueled by other forms of hate."

Her intent is to make the reader think the President is a horrible orange man, but in reality it's just a cheap shot at the President. Wonder why he might not mention the " terror threat fueled by other forms of hate"? Maybe it's because the numbers are so small they are not worth mentioning. Let's look at them:

For 2018, there were a total of 24 victims of hate crime murder, 11 of those were in the Pittsburg Synagogue attack. In 2018 there were a total of 5,566 people who were victims of hate crimes, plus about 1/2 that many hate crimes against property and society:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2018/topic-pages/tables/table-2.xls

From the Bureau of Justice Statistics: "The total number of violent victimizations (that is, the total number of times people experienced violent crime) rose from 5.0 million in 2015 to 6.4 million in 2018,......"

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18_sum.pdf

How many murders occurred in the United States in 2018?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

14,123 murders in the United States in 2018. 6,400,000 violent assaults. And Ms. Donaghue is upset that the President did not mention the 24 hate crime murders and the 5,566 hate crime assaults?

I think I'd find another source for my news!

Try breitbart.com, foxnews.com, americanthinker.com, dailywire.com, etc, etc.

Just for grins, check out this table on number of justifiable homicides by weapon:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-15.xls

 

[gryghin]

Tell that to the people antifa injured, the owners of cars antifa damaged, or owners of businesses vandalized by antifa.



Like the ones who attacked Jussie? Here's an article about that, written by the same woman (Erin Donaghue) who wrote the FBI article in your link:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jussie-smollett-indicted-on-new-charged-related-to-alleged-hate-crime-hoax/

More articles by Erin. See a pattern here?

https://muckrack.com/erindonaghue/articles

Quote from your article: "Racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, or domestic terrorists motivated by racial or religious hatred, make up a "huge chunk" of the FBI's domestic terrorism investigations, Wray said in statements before the Senate Homeland Security Committee last November. The majority of those attacks are "fueled by some type of white supremacy," he said."

Here are the FBIs most wanted for domestic terrorism - don't see many charged with white supremacy related crimes - one said she was advocating Communism - maybe Bernie ought to be on this list:

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/dt

Most wanted for terrorism (not just domestic):

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

Another quote from your article: "In his State of the Union address Tuesday night, President Trump mentioned the fight against "radical Islamic terrorism" but not the terror threat fueled by other forms of hate."

Her intent is to make the reader think the President is a horrible orange man, but in reality it's just a cheap shot at the President. Wonder why he might not mention the " terror threat fueled by other forms of hate"? Maybe it's because the numbers are so small they are not worth mentioning. Let's look at them:

For 2018, there were a total of 24 victims of hate crime murder, 11 of those were in the Pittsburg Synagogue attack. In 2018 there were a total of 5,566 people who were victims of hate crimes, plus about 1/2 that many hate crimes against property and society:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2018/topic-pages/tables/table-2.xls

From the Bureau of Justice Statistics: "The total number of violent victimizations (that is, the total number of times people experienced violent crime) rose from 5.0 million in 2015 to 6.4 million in 2018,......"

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18_sum.pdf

How many murders occurred in the United States in 2018?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

14,123 murders in the United States in 2018. 6,400,000 violent assaults. And Ms. Donaghue is upset that the President did not mention the 24 hate crime murders and the 5,566 hate crime assaults?

I think I'd find another source for my news!

Try breitbart.com, foxnews.com, americanthinker.com, dailywire.com, etc, etc.

Just for grins, check out this table on number of justifiable homicides by weapon:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-15.xls

Thanks for a well thought out response with supporting links.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Only Jesus saves. And Colt.

 

[nwslopoke]

I have a 30ish coworker trying to convince me that antifa are still the good guys. He really didn't like my response but I was being frank and honest. He stated, he really follows and studies this topic and that I am uninformed. He is either a Navy or USAF vet so I was a little surprised. He approves of antifa attacking white supremacist in Portland. I asked, like old ladies crossing the street and in wheel chairs? He replies, I'd only seen edited videos, inferring maybe they had it coming.

 

[turbo_vanner]

lol

 

[EHJ]

I love how Seattle went waaaaayyyyy out of their way to keep from even trying to use the term, 'antifa' in this article...

Armed man attacking Tacoma’s ICE detention center killed in officer-involved shooting

A protest outside the federal immigration detention center in Tacoma last year drew headlines when a 68-year-old man wrapped his arms around a police officer’s throat and shoulders in an apparent attempt to free another protester. When police got the...

www.seattletimes.com

They bragged about this incessantly - "pay attention!" they said... "It's just beginning!" they said...