Obammycare inspectors to look for guns in the home. But its Free

[Wood Worker]

They won't have to search very hard if they set foot across my homes threshold against my will.

 

[Brutus57]

Former military is a high risk category????? WTF! That alone is reason to defund this pile of sewage. This is truly an insult to every American citizen if they would take 5 minutes to think about it.

Brutus Out

 

[One-Eyed Ross]

Former military is a high risk category????? WTF! That alone is reason to defund this pile of sewage. This is truly an insult to every American citizen if they would take 5 minutes to think about it.

Brutus Out

Of course we are. We are also on the list as potential "domestic terrorists" according to the former head of DHS, so we're screwed, blued and tattoed...

 

[Vektus]

Current and former military? Oh that sucks im going next year so they gonna search me and my family i think not!

 

[U201491]

Former military is a high risk category????? WTF! That alone is reason to defund this pile of sewage. This is truly an insult to every American citizen if they would take 5 minutes to think about it.

Brutus Out

Yep ... pretty ......... sad.
That should in itself make them enemies of the state. To accuse anyone who fought for their country of something like that shows how demented and far left they truly are.
Dont take that lying down. They think propaganda belongs to them. Time to turn the tables and begin to publicly accuse them all as traitors to America.
Words like that only come from far left socialists, marxists and communists ! We have a plague on our nation and they are it ! It's vaccine time !
Every one of our troops needs to learn what they have to look forward to when they get out.
Make it known to everyone you know in the military what this administration and its flunkies are doing.
_______________________________
At my age I shoot forward a lot better than I run backward.
Rearward movement is only used for a forward Advantage and better sight alignment !

 

[Both Eyes Open]

Here is an interesting part of the ACA... Just incase anyone is interested...

Under Title X of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act...

Section 2717 of the Public Health Service Act, as added
by section 1001(5) of this Act, is amended—
(1) by redesignating subsections (c) and (d) as subsections
(d) and (e), respectively; and
(2) by inserting after subsection (b), the following:
‘‘(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—
‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness
and health promotion activity implemented under subsection
(a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any
information relating to—
‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed
firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property
of an individual; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition by an individual.
‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the
authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection
and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that
Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the
collection of any information relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition;
‘‘(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
‘‘(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of
the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made
by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used
to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of
a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR
ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—A premium rate may not
be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied,
and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in
a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under
any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance
with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an
amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance
upon—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR
INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any
information under any data collection activity authorized under
the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment
made by that Act relating to—
‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm
or ammunition; or
‘‘(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm
or ammunition.''.

Oops, here is the link... http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

It's great somebody advocated for gun rights and got an Amendment put in there. I'll bet it was a struggle. What Big Brother giveth he can taketh away someday.
What is the definition of the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition going to be when the mental health of an ACA patient visited in the home does not conform to the ACA standards? Will Anti-Govt. thoughts equal mental illness, parinoia?

 

[ARKLITE881South]

yet. Give them time, they'll figure out a reason you do, so they can keep the federal dollars rolling in.

Firearms tax, wait and see.

 

[Both Eyes Open]

The other thing I read in the text was that (under section 2951) it states that the home visits are voluntary. One is only "eligible" to accept visitation if they meet the "high risk" criteria. I was a little spooked at first until I read into the text. It sounds pretty benign as it reads. Although anything can be abused. It seems to be (again based on the text in sec 2951) that the focus on the home visitation is the well being of childhood development and pre natal care of mothers and unborn children as well as lactation consultation for breast feeding mothers. Although I will add that with 1000 pages of legalese a lot can get by a lay person such as myself. I recommend that anyone who is truly concerned link to the PDF that I posted in my previous comment and formulate your own opinion. With all the unknowns with this healthcare reform it will be interesting to see how the chips fall. Oh, that reminds me. I have seen concern elsewhere regarding the "CHIP" program being "implanted microchip mandate". According to the ACA "CHIP" is an acronym that stands for Child Heath Insurance Plan. Just a side note. Be well all and stay out of the Docs office! LOL!

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

They are going to take it slow at first so as not to spook anybody just to "GET THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR" so to speak. It will all seem harmless and reasonable at first but give it a few years. VOLUNTARY home health visits/inspections will be required as a stipulation to receive services for family members in need. Lifestyle recommendations will morph into mandatory requirements with the authority to remove anyone who doesn't comply in the name of safety and health.
They will eventually have a monopoly on healthcare and you or a member of your household getting ill will mean relinquishing your Fourth Amendment rights!

 

[2506]

The obumgo supports the Muslim Brotherhood which means he is a Nazi supporter. Check out this photo of the brotherhood. Its on Drudge. How much more evidence do we need that tyranny is upon us. Are your backs against the wall yet? Just another reason to never give into our 2A rights. This prez is working both ends against the American People. Buy more ammo.

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DRUDGE REPORT 2013®

Hey look! It's Godwin's Law in effect.

 

[2506]

Yep ... pretty ......... sad.
That should in itself make them enemies of the state. To accuse anyone who fought for their country of something like that shows how demented and far left they truly are.
Dont take that lying down. They think propaganda belongs to them. Time to turn the tables and begin to publicly accuse them all as traitors to America.
Words like that only come from far left socialists, marxists and communists ! We have a plague on our nation and they are it ! It's vaccine time !
Every one of our troops needs to learn what they have to look forward to when they get out.
Make it known to everyone you know in the military what this administration and its flunkies are doing.
_______________________________
At my age I shoot forward a lot better than I run backward.
Rearward movement is only used for a forward Advantage and better sight alignment !

I think it may have more to do with military suicides outnumbering combat deaths recently. Ex-military kill themselves about one every hour. That sounds high-risk to me.

 

[Will_Power]

yeah they will find a reason for sure if this list didnt cover it

"Among" so there must be more the high-risk behaviors listed are:

• Families residing in communities identified by States as needing services to improve parenting and improved child care. Who determines this?
• Low-income families As compared to who?
• Families with a pregnant woman or girl under age 21.
• Families with a history of substance abuse.
• Families containing tobacco users. Theres like 90% of the population
• Families with children with low student achievement. Just WOW
• Families with children with disabilities.
• Families with a current or former member of the armed forces. Oh yeah our Govt supports our troops
• Families with a history of child abuse or neglect.

Just wait. If this goes into effect, they will start to expand the list by fiat as they see fit.

I hate to invoke Godwin's Law here, but I can't help but be reminded of this old saying:


First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[Mark W.]

Ahh yes. I seem to remember my granddad telling me about that. Was replaced and stopped because of the Nazis using it

I can go you one better in my grandfathers Cavalry records his middle name until 1934 was Adolf after 1934 it was Alfred and in 1939 it became "A" and was never expanded to a full name again until he died in 1978. He served from 1927 until 1953 US mounted Cavalry and US Army from Mar 17 1942 on.

 

[Burt Gummer]

It is probably a good idea if you have kids to let them know how to deal with living in a police state. Not to startle them or get them to run to school to tell everyone daddy is a nut either. But to let their young minds prepare for the inevitable.

How to Talk to Kids About the Police State | The Daily Sheeple

 

[U201491]

I sure hope that everyone will support the repubs on defunding obammycare.


Obamacare Contains Forced Inspection Provision : Personal Liberty?

Here is the whole thing, and really burns me up.
Sounds EXACTLY like the SS and Gestapo in 30's and 40's Germany.
This cannot stand in America.


Obamacare Contains Forced Inspection Provision
August 19, 2013 by Bob Livingston

Obamacare Contains Forced Inspection provision in Obamacare provides millions of dollars in annual funding for State inspectors to conduct forced visits on homes with what the government deems is “high-risk” behaviors.

Among the high-risk behaviors listed are:

Families residing in communities identified by States as needing services to improve parenting and improved child care.
Low-income families.
Families with a pregnant woman or girl under age 21.
Families with a history of substance abuse.
Families containing tobacco users.
Families with children with low student achievement.
Families with children with disabilities.
Families with a current or former member of the armed forces.
Families with a history of child abuse or neglect.
So the Federal government is going to pay for an army of social workers to visit homes looking for “unapproved” high-risk behavior. Two items on the list are especially disquieting because, when combined with a 2006 Health and Human Services publication Child Neglect: A Guide for Prevention, Assessment, and Intervention, we learn that inspectors conducting a risk assessment are to take note of firearms in the home.

The information compiled during forced inspections will be logged into a database. Database information can them be used to mandate behavioral changes or to identify weapons owners, leading to a confiscation of firearms.

Constitutional attorney and author Kent Masterson Brown states: “This is not a voluntary program. The eligible entity receiving the grant for performing the home visits is to identify the individuals to be visited and intervene so as to meet the improvement benchmarks. A homeschooling family, for instance, may be subject to intervention in school readiness and social-emotional developmental indicators. A farm family may be subject to intervention in order to prevent child injuries. The sky is the limit.”

Hat tip: Benswann.com

Filed Under: 2nd Amendment Under Fire, Conservative Politics, Liberty News, Staff Reports

 

[timac]

The government can remove you from a plan at their discretion. Do you really believe inspections will be voluntary?

 

[DemonNova]

Like you, I'm also tired of waiting for the lead to start flying. I'm getting older and the time to keep pulling the trigger with any accuracy is drawing near an end. Guess I'll have to invest in some fragging devices (Hell Yeah)

 

[revjen45]

So now we know why every obscure two-bit agency of Leviathan needs its own Heavy Infantry Home Invasion Death Squad.

Ref Post #46: It doesn't matter what the law says - Obongo will enforce it or not as he sees fit, in contravention of his oath of office to faithfully execute the laws of the United States. He has proven that. He has taken upon himself the title of Emperor.

 

[Rotty]

Guys. You forgot to apply the Obama-supporter logic to this thread that we see whenever someone questions an administration policy or direction. Let me give it a try.

“… They haven’t ACTUALLY started inspecting and looking for guns yet and nobody has had their guns or children confiscated yet and this is just another paranoid internet rumor and I’ll worry about it AFTER it happens and there are so many other important issues to focus on (insert liberal cause de jur)…”

Wow. It is really hard to write stuff that is so delusional. I started arguing with myself as I was typing.

I’m really surprised that we haven’t seen action taken with FHA, VA, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make condition of home loan approval contingent on surrender of firearms. Call me paranoid but what can’t be done at the ballot box or in congress is being done one chip at a time by “policy”.

Up in my neck of the woods they have people at Walmart asking folks to sign petitions for stricter background checks. All for the sake of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

The guy was offended when I refused to sign his petition.