Thread: A real world self defense example

Sounds yo me like the Police are on the right page this time.

Originally Posted by titsonritz

That is why you do force on force training, so it is not hindsight but rather a contingency plan. You should already KNOW what you are going to do immediately following a lethal force encounter. After a shooting is not the time to figure it out.

Agreed. How many people get to train in FOF though? I have done it once and in that brief encounter I learned a ton but it would take several more scenarios for me to a) be a good witness/respondent and, b) then do a debrief so that I could go through and detail how I would actually respond to police.

It would seem to me that if someone offered some Airsoft FOF training and then added in the realism of police recruits trying their hand at incident investigation questioning could combine the best of two worlds ... civilian and police training.

^^^And that is precisely what you learn from FOF training and why you STFU and call your lawyer.

Originally Posted by Scott

We are the largest armed society with the biggest murder rate in the world. Are you sure that quote is correct?

Not even close.

As in every defensive shooting I've heard about, the police confiscated his gun for their investigation. This is my top reason for having a backup gun. Right after shooting a druggie, gangster, etc is when I most want to be armed in case his friends or family come looking for me.

Originally Posted by Kevatc

I don't know what country we should be compared to for accuracy's sake but Scott does bring up an interesting point.

Yeah, it's an interesting point - for another thread.

There are armed low-crime countries (e.g. Switzerland), armed high-crime countries (USA), unarmed low-crime countries (Japan), and unarmed high-crime countries (Mexico).

Let me fix this for you:

There are armed low-crime countries (e.g. Switzerland), armed high-crime countries (USA), unarmed low-crime countries (Japan), and unarmed high-crime countries (Mexico, Great Britain, Australia and Canada).

Perhaps you don't realize that the true crime rate in Britain, Australia and Canada is higher than the US? They all use a different reporting system than the US. In the US it is considered 10 crimes if there are 10 break ins in one apartment building, in Great Britain it's reported as one crime because they assume they were done by one person.

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Originally Posted by Kevatc

Most armed country on the planet, most people incarcerated on the planet, may or may not have the highest murder rate, in the top 10 or so for neonatal death, not in the top 25 for least expensive health care. Sounds a lot like a 3rd world country.

Neonatal death rate comparisons are meaningless: other countries don't count premies as a live birth, or other babies who die within a few hours of birth. They only count natal mortality in terms of babies who were born at term, and lived for a minimum amount of time. We count still-borns and all within our neo-natal mortality rate. Immigrants with poor pre-natal care also make up a siginifcant portion of our natal morttality rate, as with many other healthcare issues. The stats are meaningless without context. I'd go so far as to say their stats are deliberate lies.

We don't have anywhere NEAR the highest murder rate. I don't know how people can even say that with a straight face, compared to Africa, the middle east, and Latin America. Compared to other civilized nations, we have a higher murder rate. We ALSO have the highest diversity of any of them. The murder rates correlate well with the level of diversity. This is NOT to blame it all om immigrants, but there is a great deal of evidence that diverse, unassimmilated populations increase the crime rate, particular in interpersonal violence. In several areas of our country, black communities still count as "unassimilated", unfortunately. In other western countries where diversity and immigrant populations are on the rise, so is crime: The UK, France, and Scandinavian countries being prime examples.

And state-sanctioned violence doesn't get counted in murder rates either: if you look at how many people were killed in Cambodia, Vietnam, China, Tibet, Korea (North and South), Malaysia, Indonesia, etc by their own governmnets over the last century, that changes the picture too. A lot of that being along ethnic or religious lines too.

If you ever read Copper's blog, you'd realize that reporting crime in the UK has its own insane rules designed more to manage public perception than to manage police work.