Thread: Officers Kill Veteran

Carrying concealed, being on drugs and screwing with the cops= the possibility of being shot. Then having gun owners defend the crook because your friends said you were a OK. Only in America.

This is food for the anti gunners to eat, digest and use against normal gun owners. Almost makes me want to have a ban on concealed carry.

Wanna be serious? What if this happens to one of your loved ones? Would you then? What if your loved one was killed within the lines of proper police procedure? What if you knew he/she was wrongfully killed. Would you play around like this was just something to play around with?

So I guess we should just keep on believing what we are told with no proof. Yep the officers are always right and we citizens should expect our lives to end if we don't' listen and do what they say for us to do immediately without hesitation. OK i get it.

Here I guess is another dummy like me.

Pajamas Media » Gunned Down in Vegas: What Really Happened to Erik Scott?

201. David

"Having been a Police Officer in a large city for thirty years and now retired and living in Las Vegas along with being pro police, I’ve seen numerous police shootings in this city and question the veracity of several. I frequent this Costco and fortunately was not there at the time of the shooting. I have been in three shooting altercations in my thirty years as a Police Officer and can assure you that I never fired my weapon unless a weapon was fired at me or about to be fired at me with it in the offenders hand and pointed in my direction. Taking a human life is not something to be taken lightly. There are several mental phases that I went through after taking a life, none of which I would encourage anyone to experience. I watched the coroner’s inquest and listened closely to all the officers’ testimony. In my opinion, I found one officer to be credible. The witnesses that were on the scene gave conflicting statements to the shooting which is normal when many people are involved.
My personal belief is that these officers in Las Vegas are not getting the proper training in deadly force or are being protected by their department when their shootings aren’t justified which makes it easier to shoot again and not be concerned with the consequences that could follow.
Again, I was not there but did listen to all the testimony and believe this was a bad shoot.
Means could have been taken to handle this situation which could have saved a life instead of taking one."
October 15, 2010 - 6:16 am

David, that is why I’ve been talking with our local Chief of Police about this case. I’ll say this again We spend quite a bit of time while camping with the 4H horse club and he and my wife are Co Presidents because we never know when he might be called away during a rodeo or camp out to deal with a case. He is lots of fun to camp with as he has good stupid crook stories. The reason I brought this to his attention was to make sure that it didn’t happen here. He has incorporated it into the training of the 911 operators and his officers. I just wanted to make sure that this type of incident didn’t happen here. This is one Mell off a hess no matter what happened. All it would take is one yoyo with an ax to grind to get the operator all hyped up and scared and in turn pass that attitude on to the police. Our police chief has made a point in training both the operators and his officers to understand that the guys with concealed carry licenses are the good guys and much less likely to cause harm. He is a pleasure to spend time with setting around the camp fire.

Ron

Originally Posted by Mosinman

Carrying concealed, being on drugs and screwing with the cops= the possibility of being shot. Then having gun owners defend the crook because your friends said you were a OK. Only in America.

This is food for the anti gunners to eat, digest and use against normal gun owners. Almost makes me want to have a ban on concealed carry.

Wow, just wow.

We just had an interesting conversation at work about this thread after loading the brown trucks. An African American worker piped up and had an interesting conversation and observation about this thread. He said that his people have been accused in the past of sticking up for African Americans (like O.J.) even though they are guilty. He told me that after hearing about all these posts, he believes people who carried concealed can be accused of the same thing and stick up for their fellow CHL friends even though they are guilty as ****. That was an enlightening statement on his part and fits like a shoe here. Food for thought for all here and I believe he hit the nail right on the head here.

Originally Posted by Father of four

Mountainbear, what can we do? Who is gonna hold them accountable if they do something wrong? Are they trustworthy enough to do it themselves? Do you trust them to govern themselves? I don't! I bet most of us citizens don't. This isn't Police bashing, but something needs to be done. They are getting more and more out of control and we are seemingly just being killed for no reasons. Well in our eyes no justifiable reason. We need officers but not like this!

Problem is that there is no more proof that they did something wrong as there is that the suspect was in the wrong. I'm all for punishing officers when they are in the wrong, but you actually have to prove it. From what they've released about this shooting, there's too much conflicting information either way...

Originally Posted by Mosinman

We just had an interesting conversation at work about this thread after loading the brown trucks. An African American worker piped up and had an interesting conversation and observation about this thread. He said that his people have been accused in the past of sticking up for African Americans (like O.J.) even though they are guilty. He told me that after hearing about all these posts, he believes people who carried concealed can be accused of the same thing and stick up for their fellow CHL friends even though they are guilty as ****. That was an enlightening statement on his part and fits like a shoe here.

Oh the irony

Food for thought for all here and I believe he hit the nail right on the head here.

Of course there could be more than one nail being driven here....Is it too much of a stretch to suppose that someone that wears a badge could do the same ? Or is that personality quirk reserved for CHL holders and African Americans?

Makes me wonder; what about CHL holding African American LEOs?

W44

Originally Posted by MountainBear

I'm all for punishing officers when they are in the wrong, but you actually have to prove it. From what they've released about this shooting, there's too much conflicting information either way...

I agree, except that the one unconflicted fact is that if Scott had controlled his urge to make a scene, throwing a tantrum like a child, the cops would never have been called on him. He clearly created the situation. He always had the option of simply leaving the store if he didn't like the merchandise or staff there. There are other places to shop. Adults don't throw tantrums and citizens who carry defensive firearms should behave responsibly for the sake of all of us who cherish our 2A rights. That basic premise is straight out of Concealed Carry 101.

We keep cops around to bring out of control people back under control within the parameters of the law. You create a scene and they show up, they're gonna follow a state-sanctioned force continuum that escalates and de-escalates depending on the threat level they're faced with in a fluid, sometimes fast-shifting scenario. Acting stupid while you're upset can get you carted off to jail to explain to the judge why you can't control yourself. Acting stupid while armed can get you shot into submission.

If the incident ends up in a civil trial, fine. That's part of what makes this country great. If it turns out the cops shot the guy outside the parameters of the law and their training, then punish them. Until then, they didn't create the fiasco, Mr. Scott did. With the specter of terrorism on the increase in this country, I personally think we need citizen defensive shooters doing the concealed carry thing. There are more of them out there now than ever before. The overwhelming majority act sensibly and are a credit to themselves and our communities.

MJBSKWIN you are right.

There are some very strange paranoid people here on this site. And what is very scary is that they are possibly carrying concealed with this type of mentality. A bit past the tin hat stuff almost into the neo naz, comme positatus or anarchist personality.

For those of you that really want to know what the U.S. Supreme Court says and directs officers to do during use of force, look up the case Grahman vs Connor.

Graham v. Connor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A bit past the tin hat stuff almost into the neo naz, comme positatus or anarchist personality.

Almost?