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Wish I could do a poll here and ask what people think is most likely to happen. A list of shtf scenarios so we could all get a drift of what the fears are that people prep for. What is most likely to happen? I believe I know exactly what is going to happen and I know the signs that people should see as the red flag.
Looking at all things in a rational manner would tell you what is happening and where it will lead.
jj
Back the Question again,
For me, I believe it is already here and getting ready to unfold, that is why I am trying tto get a transfer out of living near a city to a rural area job, that so I can keep buying and storing as long as possible, this way i can also, move everything I have away into an area where no one knows me (hardly) and no one in the area will know what I have. I will un load my prepping gear myself and pay some locally recommended person to help with the furniture or even pay a relatives expensinve to come with me and help move the furniture.
I do not want to the like the jews who stayed behind and said, it will pass and they perished.
I want to be one of the ones who said thei sh!t is going to get really bad it time to get away from the crazies. And be around when its all over to help pick up the pieces and get things going again.
As others here have said it is just a matter of time, we are living (our financial and resource infrastructure) on borrowed time. I really think it is here we just do not know it yet, because we are expecting it to come with sirens blazing and alarm bells sounding. Big collapse may happen that way, but I believe the big event has already begun, although as in Nazi germany it several years to completely unravel, it may take some to completely unravel here, but I honestly it has already begun
It seems to me that almost anyone could buy a good used .22lr rifle and a few bricks of ammo. It would be far better than nothing, and is far underrated by many. Many, many deer have been killed with a .22. It would also be my bug out weapon because I could carry so much ammo for it.Originally Posted by knuckle Head
If I could own just one rifle, and just one pistol, they'd both be .22's. As sick as it makes me to think about it, If I have to leave my home and head into the wilderness, the battle rifles and larger caliber handguns are going to be left behind. I only wish I'd have time to build a big bonfire and destroy all of them and their ammo.
Hmmmm. Maybe my next prep should be to build that bonfire, stash a couple of gallons of diesel to start it fast so I could just pile the guns and ammo on it real fast and light it.
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Howdy Knucklehead! Yeah, we've got some guns, allright. But we're just folks. My 6 and 11 year old daughters just aren't that interested in shooting now, and I am not going to push the issue. I'd rather them develop a genuine interest than push too hard early and turn 'em off for life. My wife's a good lady and would protect herself, but she's no Sarah Connor...
Roving gangs is a grim thought. Realistically, how many times could I fend off Toecutter and Humongous? I'd just as soon not have to know.
JJ, my most realistic concern is social unrest. My wife works in Social services, and I spent 8 years teaching "at-risk" youth a vocation. There is a huge percentage of the population that is just waiting to tear s%!t up, and they won't need much excuse. I see it barely contained now... MC rallies, the dunes on a crowded weekend, the Omak suicide race, cage fighting, slam dancing, fist fights on the beach, a million small examples of pervasive maladaptive behavior played out every day. A veneer of civilization getting thinner every year. The number of purposeful, nuclear families diminishing, the extermination of the middle class, the number of people who use drugs of every variety...
Seems like you've got a scenario you'd like to lay out... what've you got?
Yeah, jj, what are you looking for? Spill the beans, dude, LOL.
Everything leaves tracks. Speeliey you posted the tracks you have seen by what has happened to our civilization. How did we get there? Better for a tracker to show you the signs than to tell you where the game is. I am not one to tell people how to think but I am able to do the math and show you how I got the answer.
A hint would be your answer is right about social unrest. How did we get there and who brought us there? What is the next step?
America can't be beaten from the outside. It can be brought down from the inside with outside help.
Everything that has been done is done by educated men. Why are they doing this?
Why would they push Class warfare?
Why have they pushed up the cost of goods and services to the point that two people working can't make ends meet?
Why does it take two people working and what happens to the kids when both adults work?
Why does it cost so much for a college indoctrination when colleges pay no taxes?
Who will gain and who will lose when the economy fails? Who can cause it to fail?
Who is paying the protesters to protest?
When the economy falls hard then who is organized to pick up the pieces?
Occupy Portland Protesters Sing ‘F*** the U.S.A.’ | Video | TheBlaze.com
Who brought the economy down to orchastrate this?
OOoooooh, I know, I know!! "Greedy crony capitalists who privatized profits and socialized losses while speculating (that's "gambling") with other people's money!"
Do I win a prize?
And, more importantly, how is this thread related to preparations?
It is related by letting people know what they should prepare for. Some are looking at the Wiemar Repubic as to what is comming when they should be looking at the Soviet Commie revolution...
I've thought a lot more about this than a faithful Christian should perhaps, that in itself is more frightening to me than the scenarios we all invent in our minds, My wife and I have been faithful givers to God's work for many many years, you cannot do that without believing that God has a plan and that he loves us.
The problem is in determining whether our planning is just "of the flesh" or whether we do indeed have evidence that our nation is headed towards disaster, and that we should be preparing for surviving it.
It is very hard for me to believe that we will escape a national economic collapse. So, am I preparing because God wants me to or because I don't trust him? Any of you who understand what I'm saying probably are having such thoughts yourselves.
So, I asked my pastor whether or not our church has a plan to deal with a collapse, and he threw it back into my lap, "Are you going to be a Joseph or an Elijah?"(Gen 41 and following, and 1rst Kings 17)
He told me that he doesn't see it as being clear cut that a total collapse will happen, instead we may be headed for European socialism, restricted freedoms etc. I don't understand what he sees that I don't, because to me even if someone came into the presidency and installed limited taxes and a government support of free market capitalism that allowed a flourishing economy to be unleashed there is still the problem of the little ones not being taught how marketplaces work and have worked for thousands of years, and without schooling in these things the implementation of an attempt to achieve the fantasy of socialism is always just around the corner.
Democracy only works when the voters have understanding, and very few Americans under 50 have understanding because it hasn't been taught in our schools (And that is by design, it's part of the subversion plan the KGB came up with in the 50's). So, it is not going to turn around, it cannot. The deception from the left is deliberate, Obama knows that if he were able to steal all the money that the top 50% owns it would not turn our economy around, the debt is far too large to pay down.
I'm committed to living by faith, and have been for many years. Does that faith compel me to store for the future or to simply depend on my great Provider when the time comes, for me that is the delimma.
I won't pick and choose verses out of the bible to make my point. I don't speak for God and only hope he hears my prayers. I have read the Bible and one story tells me that Joseph was sold into slavery yet became one of the most powerful men in Egypt. He fortold the Pharoah of what was to come due to the Pharoahs dream and it was to be 7 years of famine.
Joseph stockpiled food for the bad times and saved alot of people. If you have been given insite that things will be bad are you going against God by being ready? Who gave you the insite? What ever choice you make life is still going to end, but it may be sooner than you want.
jj
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