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Senate bill authorizes federal government to revoke citizenship of the American people


Senate bill authorizes federal government to revoke citizenship of the American people

See where it is all heading???

jj

Originally Posted by Just Jim

Senate bill authorizes federal government to revoke citizenship of the American people


Senate bill authorizes federal government to revoke citizenship of the American people

See where it is all heading???

jj

Ridiculous!

Huh, imagine that... CIVILLIANS attempting to strip CITIZENS of their citizenship if it ever suits them.

I'd like to read the actual senate bill rather than someone else's take on it. Sounds like the bill would be more for the likes of al-Alwaki than Joe Beercan.

10/12/2011:
Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

go to THOMAS (Library of Congress) search by bill number S.1698



we are all now guility

the quotes i give you Title 18 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of Jan. 7, 2011, and it is this version that is published here

they had it all planned


1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...81----000-.html

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(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction
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2383. Rebellion or insurrection
How Current is This? Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...85----000-.html
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2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
How Current is This? Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...84----000-.html
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2384. Seditious conspiracy
How Current is This? If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof,
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Hmmm. Seems like the unbelievable might be real. Can't find anything saying it's false. Would Obama and his buddies ever love that setup.

Isn`t this how Hitler started ??

Originally Posted by oldbrass

Isn`t this how Hitler started ??

Not exactly, I think they have to confiscate your wealth too to be just like the Nazi Socialist. You can look for them to give themselves the right to steal your money when they throw you out next..

jj

Originally Posted by Just Jim

Not exactly, I think they have to confiscate your wealth too to be just like the Nazi Socialist. You can look for them to give themselves the right to steal your money when they throw you out next..

jj

Dunno about you, but the feds confiscate a big chunk of my paycheck every two weeks.

W kicked the ball off when it comes to detention w/o trial. You remember Jose Padillia, right?

Padilla was arrested in Chicago on May 8, 2002 on suspicion of plotting a radiological bomb ("dirty bomb") attack. He was detained as a material witness until June 9, 2002, when President George W. Bush designated him an enemy combatant and, arguing that he was thereby not entitled to trial in civilian courts, had him transferred to a military prison. Padilla was held for three and a half years as an "enemy combatant" until, after pressure from civil liberties groups, the charge was dropped and his case was moved to a civilian court.

Originally Posted by saxon

10/12/2011:
Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.

go to THOMAS (Library of Congress) search by bill number S.1698



we are all now guility

the quotes i give you Title 18 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of Jan. 7, 2011, and it is this version that is published here

they had it all planned


1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...81----000-.html

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(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction
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2383. Rebellion or insurrection
How Current is This? Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...85----000-.html
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2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
How Current is This? Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...84----000-.html
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2384. Seditious conspiracy
How Current is This? If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof,
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The quoted items are true but misleading as this is left out:

"Defines "hostilities" as any conflict subject to the laws of war."

So, unless they declare war it doesn't apply, but still worried: What if they illegally declare martial law on some put up pretense like the Occupy movement?

Originally Posted by halmbarte

W kicked the ball off when it comes to detention w/o trial. You remember Jose Padillia, right?

So you voted for O and change you could believe in. How is that all working out for us?

jj

Neither party has the interests of average citizens as a priority.

H

Originally Posted by deen_ad

The quoted items are true but misleading as this is left out:
So, unless they declare war it doesn't apply, but still worried: What if they illegally declare martial law on some put up pretense like the Occupy movement?

I case you weren't paying attention a few weeks ago, due to recent legislation, signed by the pres (after he said he wouldn't) the U.S. (domestic holdings included) now has a "battlefield" designation.
In that legislation, language was inserted, denying the dotgov the ability to detain citizens by the (our) military indefinitely.
So here we have legislation that modifies the Immigration and Nationality Act, allowing the dotgov to remove your status as a citizen more easily, even if you were born here to parents born here.
Thereby circumventing the amendment(s) in the previous NDAA bill.
Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Ya gotta connect the dots, but it's there.

Habeas Corpus Stands Firm in El Paso County, Colorado!

"Utah had its Sheriff Mack. Maricopa County, Arizona has Sheriff Joe Arpaio. But Colorado Springs, Colorado has Terry Maketa.

In November 2011, Sheriff Maketa of El Paso County, Colorado, along with its five County Commissioners struck a blow for freedom and the Constitutional rights of citizens.

These six signed a proclamation affirming the right to Habeas Corpus which the National Defense Authorization Bill or Senate Bill 1867 removed when it was signed into law by President Obama.

The proclamation which has gone viral, affirms that the local sheriff, who is any county’s top cop, can override actions taken by the military or the Feds to arrest someone without notification to the Sheriff.

Under this proclamation, the Sheriff will make sure that a Miranda warning is given, the right to see a judge and the right to NOT be taken out of the county or held incommunicado without permission is upheld."

Our Sheriffs are the most important person you will vote for, they are the law.

True. ......but what's a sheriff to do when 15 MIB's
Pull up and the "suit"gets out with"paper work?"

You call Barney Fife.0, that's what you do!