Thread: why am i so obsessed with sbr's

I have not permanently attached a can to a barrel; I am awaiting passage of bill 2099.

Ranb

Originally Posted by Ranb

I have not permanently attached a can to a barrel; I am awaiting passage of bill 2099.

Ranb

Sorry for my mistake. There is another poster that is really into silencers too and some times I mix you up. My apologies.

Here is a link to the GSG-5, New Thompson Machine Silencer I actually have the same can but I want the full SD look no the skinny so I have not done anything with mine yet.

Whoever it was, was killing two birds with one stone since at the time it was O.K. to OWN a suppressor but not to use it. The design of the Thompson Machine can allowed him to permanently attach the outer part of the can to the shortened barrel, but remove the baffles so It was O.K. to shoot in Wa. Pretty cleaver!

I believe for a .223/5.56 to be terminally effective it needs to be doing 2700 fps to ensure fragmentation. Using typical rifle ammo, how short can you cut the barrel and still reach the required velocity? I doubt too much.

Of course if you just want to plink or shoot paper it does not matter.

A person could buy or load hollow points but I'm not sure of how effective reduced velocity .223/5.56 hollow points in that light grain weight would be.

Also I suppose someone might load a different powder to reach the necessary velocity in a shorter barrel. But one would have to make that specific effort.

Seems to me that if you're going to go short barrel on an AR platform you are better off using some hot 9 that has a larger diameter (read larger perm wound cavity) and higher grain weight (read penetration). I load some HS-6 major 124gr gold dots to 1355 which would do well.

i agree. SBRs project a way-cool form factor to me. i wanted one every since i watched
Joe Kidd some years back. fortunate enough to get one of the last ones approved in WA
before they closed the door shut. (randy, did you ever get the SBR video i sent you back
in sept?)

I got it, still trying to figure out how to put everything together.

Do you have any information on why they put the SBS/SBR ban in and did not take it out along with the assault weapon ban? The legislative intent did not provide any reason why SBS/SBR needed to be banned. Did anyone object to the ban being in bill 2319?

I wrote to all of the legislators still in office back in 1994 that voted for the ban but Sheldon was the only one to write back. He did not know why the ban was in there but he said he would support bill 2319 if it made it to the Senate.

Originally Posted by Ranb

I got it, still trying to figure out how to put everything together.

Do you have any information on why they put the SBS/SBR ban in and did not take it out along with the assault weapon ban? The legislative intent did not provide any reason why SBS/SBR needed to be banned. Did anyone object to the ban being in bill 2319?

I wrote to all of the legislators still in office back in 1994 that voted for the ban but Sheldon was the only one to write back. He did not know why the ban was in there but he said he would support bill 2319 if it made it to the Senate.

i'm going from memory now, though a review of the RCW annotated edition can likely shed
light on this. i recall it had to do with a juvenile crime/justice bill and the SBR/SBS was a
rider which was then tacked on to the bill. it barely made the radar until it was too late
to deploy en masse and by that time, it slid into home plate. I don't even recall much of
an uprising from WAC et al...perhaps someone who is less prone to senior moments can
jump in.

p.s. i dont recall WA having an assault weapons bill in addition to the Fed AWB so in my
mind, there was no nexus between the expiration of the Fed AWB and anything similar
ban in WA state

I was able to go to the online archives and read the various versions of the bill prior to it's passage. It had an AWB much like the one passed by the feds, but that portion was eliminated from bill 2319 prior to passage. There was also a list of the people and organizations that spoke out in support and opposition to the bill, but it did not say what they said at the hearings.

I suspect that few people really cared about "sawed off shotguns" back then.

Ranb

ahhh, good background. i didn't follow politics that closely back then and didn't know how the bill unfolded.