Thread: Reading Behind the lines...police fatalities 2011

Reading behind the lines of police fatalities

This was not a good year for police officers who died in the line of duty, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, which keeps track of fatalities that included 68 who died from gunfire.

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You forgot the four officers that were shot while drinking coffee in Seattle...by someone that should never have had access to anything that could be used as a weapon let alone a firearm.

Originally Posted by hermannr

You forgot the four officers that were shot while drinking coffee in Seattle...by someone that should never have had access to anything that could be used as a weapon let alone a firearm.

That happened in 2010, not 2011.

Originally Posted by dmancornell

No, there is plenty of controversy with liberty-loving folks. The government passes absurd laws in the name of public safety and security, then militarizes police forces to enforce said laws. It has the unintended consequence of souring police/civilian relations and instigating more violent confrontations.

Cops don't deliberately murder civilians with the exception of a few outlying cases. The issue at hand is whether government policy has the effect of causing more police brutality, and the absolute lack of transparency and justice in holding bad cops accountable. Cops do see themselves as a special class in society, that is no conspiracy, that is fact.

Puhleeze!
There is no such thing as "police/civilian" relations.

Cops are NOT the military. They are Civilian Law Enforcement. Period. They are "civilians" just like the rest of us. They just happen to wear interesting uniforms with guns on the job. When police and sheriff's deputies allude to the public as "citizens" or "private citizens," they're on the right page.


There are police and private citizens. And then there are soldiers.

This habit of cops calling people "civilians" (often with a sneer as if the rest of us are something less) is a huge problem that the press, and a lot of the public, doesn't seem to understand.

When police officers and sheriff's deputies simply refer to people as "citizens" or "private citizens," then we're on the same page.

Originally Posted by Dave Workman

That happened in 2010, not 2011.

Dave, that was Nov. 2009...time flys.

Was at the funeral...among other things.

OK,wichaka, awesome vid, yet it does not alter the dialogue! Where is Audie Murphy in this argument (Goggle it). To his dying day Maj. Murphy deferred to those who had served and died around him. His headstone at Arlington is without the Gold Leaf allowed for MOH achievers...Maj. Murphy made it clear before his death he wanted his headstone to , quote "Look like any other soldier who served." To this day Audie's plot at Arlington is the second most visited by the public...second only to John F. Kennedy, 2nd LT., USN.

Didn't mean to alter the dialogue.

There have been many needless deaths on both sides of the coin.

But I think one of the most notable LE deaths this year was the one officer who was ambushed in his patrol car at a stop light.

One more thing... What's the number of officers who were assaulted and received injuries in the same year ? FBI only has data for 2009 - 14,985 officers received injuries that year.

Geez, less than 24 hours into 2012 and two LEOs have been killed. This madness must stop.

Just another article the media and bradydotorg have spun full of subverted/spun/distorted "facts" and outright lies, to advance the gun control agenda.
But our hero Dave W. has completely derailed their assumptions and distortions with a few facts!

Thanks for the heads-up Dave.
Next time some anti-gunner starts spouting these distortions, I'll have the true FACTS to settle the ensuing dispute on the side of gun owners everywhere.

An awful week for Evergreen State law enforcement

It began with the slaying of a female ranger at Mount Rainier National Park and it ended yesterday with the suicide of a veteran Seattle police officer on the wrong end of a drug investigation…

An awful week for Evergreen State law enforcement - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com

Yep, it appears we are way off base on the title of this thread...so off to clean it up I go.

Sorry I didn't do it sooner Dave, my apologies.

You're a great asset to this forum Dave, thanks for your time!

Originally Posted by Dave Workman

An awful week for Evergreen State law enforcement

It began with the slaying of a female ranger at Mount Rainier National Park and it ended yesterday with the suicide of a veteran Seattle police officer on the wrong end of a drug investigation…

An awful week for Evergreen State law enforcement - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com

Spot on again Dave! No sector of the public or employment area is immune from the bad apples, folks just tend to look down harder on the Police when they go bad versus other job areas...and sometimes rightly so.

Some folks don't understand that its the courts that give Officers the power they have, and keep them from prosecution in some instances, its not the Police themselves.

Even when the Police investigate themselves, there are many hoops to jump thru to do it properly, so no one gets off, when a harsh punishment is deserving. Unfortunately this all takes time, and some of the public has little patience for it...but again we can thank the process to the bureaucrats/lawmakers for that garbage.

Keep it on track folks.

"That’s three killed by friendly fire and one who apparently died by accidental discharge of his own firearm. Plus, three more passed away apparently from complications from gunshot wounds suffered years before.

Others who died from gunshot wounds included officers shot by wanted fugitives, armed robbers confronted in the act and frequently dangerous “domestic disturbance” participants who may, or may not, legally have firearms.

However, trust the gun prohibition lobby, led by the Brady Center and Violence Policy Center, to throw all of these fatalities in as just a statistic and blame: a) lax gun laws, b) shall-issue concealed carry statutes, and, c) gun rights in general. "


Always read between the lines.

Yep, you're correct...just like the ding-dong blaming the law that allows guns in Nat. Parks for the death of the Ranger. Sad...very sad.

Yeah it would be nice to see more truth and less hiding of things. But...i guess we must read between the lines.

Originally Posted by wichaka

Yep, you're correct...just like the ding-dong blaming the law that allows guns in Nat. Parks for the death of the Ranger. Sad...very sad.

Its not the firearm. Its the bad people and the other people that cover up for them.