Thread: Compare: 'Occpuy' protesters v. gun rights supporters

A study in contrast: Occupy protesters v. gun rights activists

The past two days of Occupy movement protests in Olympia provide a start contrast to a turnout on the state capitol campus in January 2010 by hundreds of gun rights activists, many of whom were armed openly.

A study in contrast: Occupy protesters v. gun rights activists - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com

On point as usual. Thanks Dave.

Interesting read, thanks for sharing Dave.

I did catch a typo though, "hopolophbic"?

This isn't going to go down well...

for those who can't understand the voice over; what was going on ? what I could see was the guy brandishing and firing his rifle off into the wall; and shouting something? then police just fires on him....but there's clearly more to the story...

The false split again.

I don't know anyone who actually WANTS to be protesting.

You do understand how easy it is to get an assaulting a police officer charge, right?
Not saying that the charges in Olympia were unjustified, just giving you food for thought.

Again, I have to say, if you claim to not know what occupy is about, turn off the tv, and talk with somebody who is involved.

Workers rights, progressive taxes, and high gun ownership fit together very well.

Study the Swiss model of governing as an example.

Originally Posted by michaels

The false split again.

I don't know anyone who actually WANTS to be protesting.

You do understand how easy it is to get an assaulting a police officer charge, right?
Not saying that the charges in Olympia were unjustified, just giving you food for thought.
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Well its almost impossible to get an "assulting a police officer charge" if your not anywhere around the officer. You don't want to be charged with something don't put yourself in the position to cause what will result from your actions.

I been sitting at home and I haven't even once come close to being charged with "assulting a police officer" while doing it.

Originally Posted by Mark W.

I been sitting at home and I haven't even once come close to being charged with "assulting a police officer" while doing it.

Well, obviously you're not doing it right.

Those brave protesters, sacrificing everything for, wait, what are they doing again? Oh yeah, you have to be there in person to really know. What a bunch of carp.

The longer this occupy nonsense continues, the worse these idiots look. The "99%" are in reality the 0.000001% and it's starting to show.

The shocking truth about the crackdown on Occupy | Naomi Wolf | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Pretty left-wing slant, but the core of the article is worth noting.

From the above article:

The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.

The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.

No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.



So.... 1,2 and 3 roughly = stop the fraud and corruption. Is that a radical left wing agenda to you guys? God I hope not.

When the Tea Party held MASSIVE Rallys on the Mall in DC there was no violence and there was NO Trash or Human Waste left behind to ruin the area for others. No Police Were Assualted, No One Was Raped, No Drug sales, No Human Trafficing, No Murders, No One Died.
PS I love that vid.
One commentor wishes that the shooter had taken cover and slaughtered as many as possible, typical gamer OWS trash

Originally Posted by michaels

I don't know anyone who actually WANTS to be protesting.

You do understand how easy it is to get an assaulting a police officer charge, right?
Not saying that the charges in Olympia were unjustified, just giving you food for thought.

Again, I have to say, if you claim to not know what occupy is about, turn off the tv, and talk with somebody who is involved.

Workers rights, progressive taxes, and high gun ownership fit together very well.

Study the Swiss model of governing as an example.

Well, Michaels, if these people don't actually want to be protesting, they ought to pack their tents and boogie. Alas, there appear to be an ample contingent of, well, "professional protesters." That is, folks who just show up at these things and rant for the sake of ranting.

I think the article says it all about what Occupy is about. Some people have genuine concerns.

others aren't really sure what they want, but they want it now and they want someone else to pay for it.

It's sort of hard to contend you don't know if the charges were justified when some of those charged actually bit state troopers. Kind of hard to bite someone accidentally.

BTW: This ain't Switzerland. You want Swiss-style government? I'll provide you a map to Switzerland, but it requires a plane ride or a boat ride or a heck of a long swim.


The Swiss are good about keeping guns in the home, and they make great chocolate.

Originally Posted by locobob

From the above article:

The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.

The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.

No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.



So.... 1,2 and 3 roughly = stop the fraud and corruption. Is that a radical left wing agenda to you guys? God I hope not.

1. Congress has become a forum for legally obtaining plunder. Is it really a surprise when an opportunity to gain money exists, that an organization dedicated to the profit of its shareholders chooses to take advantage of it?

Instead of "getting money out of politics," why don't the socialists instead simply suggest abiding by the constitution? Section 1 Article 8 of the U.S. Constitution (Enumerated Powers) did (and would again do) an excellent job of "getting money out of politics." It doesn't make sense to bribe a government which can perform no dirty favors.

Yet socialists would never endorse such a platform because it would mean severely limiting the power of government, which runs counter-current to the core idea of an all-powerful totalitarian state.

2. Restoring Glass-Steagall would have done nothing to prevent the crises we are currently experiencing. Attributing the recession to anything other than the credit expansion on the part of our government is an idea which is laughably ignorant to anyone with even a casual understanding of economics. Our current problems stem from the government's hopeless tinkering in the marketplace; to say that we can solve our situation by increasing its presence there is ridiculous.

Instead of reinstating the Glass-Steagall act of 1933, why not repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913? We would be taking a step both towards the Constitution and real Capitalism.

3. As for these loopholes, I direct the good members of this forum once again to Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

Enumerated powers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hi Dave,

I do believe that the link provided by 2506 definitely had some thought and insight.
It does a good job of saying what occupy is all about.
I'm glad we agree.

I never contended the charges in Olympia were unjustified. I'm just trying to make people aware that the threshold for what is considered "assaulting a police officer" is ridiculous. You know, the whole there's common sense and then there's legal.
I'm sure you agree with me that sometimes common sense gets run over by legalese.

All you can say about my appeal for the study of a similar yet different system of government is "this ain't switzerland" ?

Your damn right I think we should have Swiss style government.
I would love nothing more than my community setting my tax rates, and my taxes staying in my community.

Ps

Ich kenn de weg zu die schweiz guat g'nung

Originally Posted by Riot

This isn't going to go down well...

yes,thanks to this idiot for putting more dung on the pile gun owners are always under.
if he was going to do such a stupid thing he could have atleast thinned out the liberal population a little bit.

Originally Posted by rur862

1. Congress has become a forum for legally obtaining plunder. Is it really a surprise when an opportunity to gain money exists, that an organization dedicated to the profit of its shareholders chooses to take advantage of it?

Instead of "getting money out of politics," why don't the socialists instead simply suggest abiding by the constitution? Section 1 Article 8 of the U.S. Constitution (Enumerated Powers) did (and would again do) an excellent job of "getting money out of politics." It doesn't make sense to bribe a government which can perform no dirty favors.

Yet socialists would never endorse such a platform because it would mean severely limiting the power of government, which runs counter-current to the core idea of an all-powerful totalitarian state.

2. Restoring Glass-Steagall would have done nothing to prevent the crises we are currently experiencing. Attributing the recession to anything other than the credit expansion on the part of our government is an idea which is laughably ignorant to anyone with even a casual understanding of economics. Our current problems stem from the government's hopeless tinkering in the marketplace; to say that we can solve our situation by increasing its presence there is ridiculous.

Instead of reinstating the Glass-Steagall act of 1933, why not repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913? We would be taking a step both towards the Constitution and real Capitalism.

3. As for these loopholes, I direct the good members of this forum once again to Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution.

Enumerated powers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmmm, Well I agree with your first and second sentences although I have to wonder what your interpretation of Article 1 section 8 would look like... after that I just see a lot of labeling and discrediting and no real argument.

P.S. I have taken college economics, I run a real business, and I disagree with you about Glass-Steagall. It may not be the "end all be all" but it's repeal was a contributing factor to the banking crisis. We should not have allowed the co-mingling of investment and commercial banking.

Originally Posted by rur862

Instead of "getting money out of politics," why don't the socialists instead simply suggest abiding by the constitution? Section 1 Article 8 of the U.S. Constitution (Enumerated Powers) did (and would again do) an excellent job of "getting money out of politics." It doesn't make sense to bribe a government which can perform no dirty favors.

Yet socialists would never endorse such a platform because it would mean severely limiting the power of government, which runs counter-current to the core idea of an all-powerful totalitarian state.

Limiting powers of the government is a real bad way to get your student loan debt forgiven.

They aren't against corrupt government, they just don't want the capitalists doing the corrupting.

Originally Posted by locobob

From the above article:

The mainstream media was declaring continually "OWS has no message". Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online "What is it you want?" answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.

The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process. No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.

No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.

So.... 1,2 and 3 roughly = stop the fraud and corruption. Is that a radical left wing agenda to you guys? God I hope not.

You guys can believe what you want about the OWS "movement". I disagree. Adam Carolla has it right:

“We’re dealing with the first wave of participation trophies…everybody’s a winner, there are no losers.”

"The top “1 percent” of America paying 50 percent of all income taxes in the country is not good enough for the Occupiers."

“It’s this envy and shame, and there’s gonna be a lot more of it. It used to be back in the day, a father was walking his son and they’d see a guy go by in his Rolls Royce. There goes Mr. Jenkins. Look up to him.’ What do we do now? Oooh, look at him. Does he need that car? Why does he need to drive that car? Let’s throw a rock at it.”

Warning, strong language:

I love the ace man. I agree with what he said about shutting up and getting back to work.

Originally Posted by A.I.P.

When the Tea Party held MASSIVE Rallys on the Mall in DC there was no violence and there was NO Trash or Human Waste left behind to ruin the area for others. No Police Were Assualted, No One Was Raped, No Drug sales, No Human Trafficing, No Murders, No One Died.
PS I love that vid.
One commentor wishes that the shooter had taken cover and slaughtered as many as possible, typical gamer OWS trash

Dang straight.

Speaking of OWS trash:

Occupy L.A.: 30 tons of debris left behind at City Hall tent city

November 30, 2011 | 4:32 pm

Sanitation officials said Wednesday that they expect to haul away 30 tons of debris from the Occupy L.A. encampment –- everything from clothing to heaps of garbage to oddball curiosities left behind by the protesters who lived at the City Hall tent city for two months.

Andrea Alarcon, president of the city Public Works board, said workers already have removed 25 tons of belongings from the City Hall park, all of it heading straight to a landfill.

Sanitation crews also have vacuumed up about 3,000 gallons of water that had washed into a catch basin in recent days and are testing it for hazardous materials, she said.

The sheer volume of personal belongings left behind after the early morning Los Angeles Police Department raid has astonished city workers: books and CDs, luggage and boom boxes, mattresses and dining chairs, cellphones, electric razors, a small red guitar with its neck snapped –- all surrounded by dozens of collapsed and empty tents.
A steady flow of people stopped by the park Wednesday to take photos and video and watch workers in white hazmat suits rake trash into neat piles.

As workers broke down tents and placed them in trash cans, Ramir Delgado, 25, snapped photos out of curiosity.

"It's a shame how I see all trash around here," he said. He pointed to his head. "People don't understand that the freedom starts here in your mind."

Delgado said he was disappointed in Occupy L.A.

"You know why this is filthy and not clean is there isn't leadership," he said.

A few feet away, crews in the hazmat suits raked trash of discarded protest signs, nail polish and jars of peanut butter.

"This looks like pure anarchy," Delgado said, adding, “in a Hollywood way.”

Donna Spurgeon, who snapped pictures on her phone, said she was surprised by the mural in the center of the south lawn.

“How did that get built” she asked of the structure that city officials built around an historic fountain, a structure protesters turned into an art piece.

“If you’re here to protest, don’t deface public property,” Spurgeon said.

She said the aftermath looked like a “little war zone, a little ghetto.”

Norman Schwartz, 76, a retired attorney from Calabasas, felt differently. He stopped by Wednesday afternoon to snap photos and suggested that the Occupy L.A. scene was a great lesson in democracy. He said he was sad to see the park so empty.

“There was no longer this wonderful thing going on,” he said. “It was just an empty, dirty park.”

Too bad there is nobody to send the clean-up bill to. Take a look at this mess HERE.