Thread: (Video) Citizen Asserts his Open Carry Rights

Originally Posted by Dieselfuel12v

Open carry is strange, put old ladies, and non gun friendly people at ease and do yourself a favor and get a CPL.

That makes sense in Washington and Oregon, both of which are "shall issue" CCW permit states. It is relatively easy to get a CCW permit in Washington and Oregon, as it is in most of the United States.

Things are very different in California, which is why most of the open carry activism is occurring there. California is one of the few remaining "may issue" CCW states, which means you have to prove to the local CLEO (chief law enforcement officer) that you have "good cause" to want a CCW permit. In the rural areas of California it is like Washington and Oregon, but in the urban areas where the vast majority of Californians live the CLEOs have decided that no cause is good enough, so they routinely reject all applications for CCW permits (unless you are a political VIP, Hollywood celebrity, or $$$ contributor to the sheriff's re-election campaign).



Loaded open carry is banned, CCW permits are unobtainable for most Californians, so those who want to carry have no other choice than unloaded open carry (UOC) or locked unloaded concealed carry (LUCC). Most would love to get a CCW permit and carry concealed, but that just isn't an option. Part of the open carriers' strategy is to upset enough people so they will demand a loosening of the CCW permit situation, so those scary upsetting guns will be kept out of sight. That strategy has backfired, leading not to more availability of CCW permits but instead to attempts to ban UOC.

I was under the impression that OC'ers mission was to "normalize" firearms to the public. Not simply to get CCW permits loosened. I don't or haven't yet.

I do have a lot of respect for the guys that will do this though. These are the guys that have drawn the line and are standing up for 2nd amendment rights. There is NO reason to wish them any ill will at all or to suggest they do it differently imo.

In case anyone thinks I'm exaggerating about California CLEOs handing out/selling CCW permits to campaign contributors:

Former O.C. Sheriff Mike Carona May be Headed to Prison

Former Orange County Sheriff Michael Carona is one step closer to prison after a federal appeals court on Thursday upheld his conviction for witness tampering.

The three-term lawman once dubbed "America's sheriff" was indicted in 2008 on federal charges of conspiracy, mail fraud and witness tampering.

During the two-month trial, prosecutors claimed that Carona accepted secret cash payments, had numerous extra-marital affairs, and provided badges and concealed weapons licenses to campaign contributors.

Carona Conviction Upheld: Former O.C. Sheriff and Convicted Felon Mike Carona May be Headed to Prison - ktla.com

California's "may might won't issue" CCW permit law is a temptation for abuse by corrupt CLEOs.

Originally Posted by skiingislife725

Btw...your screenname...driving a Dodge or have you got a swap? One of these days when I have an area to do it, I want to put a 12v into a 66-77 Bronco for my daily driver...bunch of other cool swaps over at 4btswaps.com too. So many possibilities!

Driving the old 94' dodge beast. Once I can afford it, i'll buy a 3rd gen 5.7 cummins, right before they switched to 6.7, and make that my daily driver, and turn mine into a nasty sleeper, lol. That's the plan atleast, we'll see if the money agrees with me by then.

A 12v in a bronco would be something else. I've always had it in my head to put one in a old yota 4x4, but it's a big undertaking beefing up the front end to support a 6bt.