Thread: My new Taurus Judge

Originally Posted by wired

Id take 6 rounds of even moderately loaded .45 colt at 600 ft lbs over a whole box full of 9mm and the revolver won't jam on you.

i can most likely put 5-6+ rounds a +p 124gr golddot into the A zone in the same amount of time it takes you to put 2 there with a judge loaded with 45govt.

and a 2nd or 3rd gen 9mm glock doesn't "jam." my personal experience with revolvers is that they most certainly can, and do, malfunction. taurus revolvers are particularly unreliable. modern revolvers are extremely complex mechanical devices with a small pile of little delicate parts and springs. have you ever pulled the side plate off a modern revolver?

a glock 17 consists of 34 individual parts.. most smith revolvers contain well over 100 tiny little fragile parts, that all have to work in perfect synchronization to fire the weapon.

this is a drill we run in my training group to simulate a straight-up no-bubblegum shootout against an armed assailant, with forced reload.
YouTube - August 1 CRPC - Head 2 Head - Alex y Evil Ben again

try that with any revolver, regardless of caliber.

Originally Posted by bkb0000

the archduke was shot with a .380

That has to be wrong, I read over and over on the internet that the .380 can not kill any one.

Originally Posted by gehrheart

That has to be wrong, I read over and over on the internet that the .380 can not kill any one.

.380s are too weak to reliably penetrate deep enough to ensure vital area damage. fired into the skull, or fired perpendicularly at the heart, even a .22lr will kill. but either fired at the torso into the side, or at an angle, or even perpendicularly but through heavy clothing, or even into a large man, may very well not penetrate deep enough to take out the heart/major blood vessels, failing to incapacitate.

can they incapacitate? surely.. but are they as likely to incapacitate as 9mm/40/45? no.

Originally Posted by bkb0000

i can most likely put 5-6+ rounds a +p 124gr golddot into the A zone in the same amount of time it takes you to put 2 there with a judge loaded with 45govt.

and a 2nd or 3rd gen 9mm glock doesn't "jam." my personal experience with revolvers is that they most certainly can, and do, malfunction. taurus revolvers are particularly unreliable. modern revolvers are extremely complex mechanical devices with a small pile of little delicate parts and springs. have you ever pulled the side plate off a modern revolver?

a glock 17 consists of 34 individual parts.. most smith revolvers contain well over 100 tiny little fragile parts, that all have to work in perfect synchronization to fire the weapon.

this is a drill we run in my training group to simulate a straight-up no-bubblegum shootout against an armed assailant, with forced reload.
YouTube - August 1 CRPC - Head 2 Head - Alex y Evil Ben again

try that with any revolver, regardless of caliber.

Why would I need to do that? One shot of 300 grain .45 caliber lead going 1200 FPS at center mass and I'm relatively sure I can sit back and wait for the cops to show up. Why make all that extra noise?

Ive never had a revolver malfunction. I cannot say that of semiautomatic pistols.

Originally Posted by wired

Why would I need to do that? One shot of 300 grain .45 caliber lead going 1200 FPS at center mass and I'm relatively sure I can sit back and wait for the cops to show up. Why make all that extra noise?

Ive never had a revolver malfunction. I cannot say that of semiautomatic pistols.

i'd suggest reading up on terminal ballistics.. i'd also suggest spending a little more time shooting on a dynamic range- even the pros can MISS when under stress. your followup shots are not any faster because the round didn't strike meat.

Originally Posted by bkb0000

i'd suggest reading up on terminal ballistics.. i'd also suggest spending a little more time shooting on a dynamic range- even the pros can MISS when under stress. your followup shots are not any faster because the round didn't strike meat.

My carry gun is a redhawk 4 inch .45 colt with buffalo bore 325 grain lead flying at 1260 fps by my chrono. I can get 6 shots on target in 3-4 seconds firing double action. I don't feel undergunned but after dumping a full cylinder in 3 seconds I need a break. Some people like pistols and some prefer revolvers but given the choice between a magnum level round and a 9mm I'll take the heavy magnum any day.

Originally Posted by bkb0000

.380s are too weak to reliably penetrate deep enough to ensure vital area damage. fired into the skull, or fired perpendicularly at the heart, even a .22lr will kill. but either fired at the torso into the side, or at an angle, or even perpendicularly but through heavy clothing, or even into a large man, may very well not penetrate deep enough to take out the heart/major blood vessels, failing to incapacitate.

can they incapacitate? surely.. but are they as likely to incapacitate as 9mm/40/45? no.

I hope you did catch the fact I was only trying to make a funny.

Originally Posted by gehrheart

I hope you did catch the fact I was only trying to make a funny.

i thought you were trying to make a funny point.