Thread: CNN - Gun Sales At Record Levels

Gun sales at record levels, according to FBI background checks - CNN.com

I just wanted to say, keep up the good work. *

Despite some nice quotes from the NRA included in the article, it appears the article added in the anti-RKBA sources as well to help appease or scare the simple-minded liberal sheeple. *However, to me, this is my New Years Resolution. *I think another gun in the safe would be a great way to start the New Year.. * The more Americans who own guns, the less bureaucratic scum who can take them from us.. *Anyway, I just love reading articles like these from the major news sources. *

Of course, to be impartial (yeah right), they had to include a quote from the Brady Bunch:

"The research we've seen indicates fewer and fewer people are owning more and more guns," said Caroline Brewer of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "All the trends indicate the number of Americans who own guns has declined."

*More Americans than ever before own guns.. Can the Brady Buttholes please share any of their sources to backup their fallacious lies! *

And if this isn't good enough proof, then the Brady's have had their head up their arse too many years:

Two days before Christmas, NICS ran 102,222 background checks, which was the second-busiest day in history. The one-day record was set this year on Black Friday, the big shopping day following Thanksgiving, with 129,166 searches. By comparison, the previous one-day high was set November 28, 2008, when gun dealers made slightly less than 98,000 requests for background searches.

And really, how can there be a record sales in guns more than ever before in the history of the country, yet somehow there is less gun owners than ever before??? Seriously, so stupid!


Hope everyone enjoyed their new guns acquired over the holidays.. Cheers *

Good points.

It is CNN. Their target audience is not exactly the smartest bunch, so these kinds of stories are effective.

I think the general populace of Righties is scared because of the boobs on their side running for president.

But I digress, for whatever reason it's a good thing for us all and I hope a lions share of the firearms being purchased are made right here in the USA supporting American jobs and families. Here's to a better 2012!

Originally Posted by FarmerTed1971

I think the general populace of Righties is scared because of the boobs on their side running for president.

But I digress, for whatever reason it's a good thing for us all and I hope a lions share of the firearms being purchased are made right here in the USA supporting American jobs and families. Here's to a better 2012!

Show me one real right wing R candidate for prez? No Neo Cons please..

I think these stores really jumped on the black Friday bandwagon this year. Add in a little bit of fear and BOOM. Sales.

The article omitted a photo of the Brady spokesperson.

It is great for the firearms industry that people are buying more guns. Sadly, all studies I have read seem to support the Brady claim that fewer people are owning more guns and that fewer homes actually have a firearm in them. That is why it is so important to try to be more inclusive as a firearms community and try to garner new shooters and not shut out anyone we feel doesn't fit the mold. Sadly, too many gun forums are all too quick to chase off anyone that does not agree with their narrow political beliefs or their personal morals.

I still cannot believe this.. What studies? Can you show me some references? I agree there is a polarizing element among some people in the RKBA community. I find in Idaho that if you don't like think as they do on every political subject, people will certainly rag on you and try to intimidate you. I've never encountered that sentiment in Oregon, but oh well, no place is perfect. Nonetheless, I cannot believe with record number of gun sales, that less people own guns today.

I do agree we need to spread the word and help educated more of the citizenry about guns and help persuade more of them to be gun owners in a caring and respectful manner.

Last figures I saw (last night) say 47% of homes now own guns, up from 41% a few years ago.

Originally Posted by deen_ad

Last figures I saw (last night) say 47% of homes now own guns, up from 41% a few years ago.

I saw that study too, all one did was take a limited survey of NRA members and an equal random sampling. Another just used sales records and divided the numbers among the population using the average number of guns owned by the average gun owner. Neither of those are very accurate or scientific. Census records tend to show a different number. The vast majority of homes that used to report owning firearms owned hunting rifles and shotguns. The numbers of households that hunt have drastically fallen in recent decades. The number of people that own firearms for SD has grown, but not at a rate that counters the loss of hunters. I am never sure why gun owners feel so threatened by this.

There are estimated to be 270 million guns in the US. If you assume most gun owners own 2.3 guns (which those reports suggest) you get about 38% of people who own a gun. Then they do some creative math regarding the number of adults in a home and some other figures and they get the 47% figure. Of course all of this also depends on the assumption that only about 12-15% of all guns in the country are actually documented and it also almost ignores the number of guns that leave service each year.

I personally own over three dozen guns. I know lots of people that have more guns than me. In fact I hardly know any gun owners on the forums that have only two guns and rifles. That blows their average away right off the bat. If you have ten people and two of them each own ten guns that is an average of two guns per person That does not mean all ten people have guns. Without knowing the number of people that actually own guns you cannot possibly figure an accurate average to even start your equation.

The largest growing segment of new gun owners is actually women, up 47% in the past 10 years. and not just the country gals. girls in hi-heels to..Not to say that country gals don`t wear hi-heels now..

That would seem to jive with what I have heard in talking to store owners.
But it is a small slice of the pie ( My observations vs total population)
I have seen more women out learning how to shoot a pistol or some other weapon
Maybe they are making sure their husbands stay out of trouble

It woul dbe interesting to see the real data

Originally Posted by oldbrass

The largest growing segment of new gun owners is actually women, up 47% in the past 10 years. and not just the country gals. girls in hi-heels to..Not to say that country gals don`t wear hi-heels now..

Originally Posted by 4Freedom

I still cannot believe this.. What studies? Can you show me some references? Nonetheless, I cannot believe with record number of gun sales, that less people own guns today.

OK, I'm going to explain it to you, but don't kill the messenger. I'm always debating the anti-gun nuts on Huffington Post, so I know all of their arguments because I have to refute them. But again, don't kill the messenger.

They are referring to the General Social Survey conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago reported earlier this year. It showed the number of households - not individuals, households - that owned a gun was at a 30-year low.

WASHINGTON, April 26 (UPI) -- Almost one-third of U.S. households report having any guns in the home -- the lowest level ever since the survey began in the 1970s, a survey indicates.

The report by the Violence Policy Center is an analysis of data from the General Social Survey conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago. The report says household gun ownership peaked in 1977, with 54 percent of households reported having any guns.

However, by 2010 household gun ownership dropped to 32.3 percent of U.S. households reporting having any guns in the home -- the lowest level ever recorded by the General Social Survey.

Read more: One-third of U.S. households own guns - UPI.com

There has been an increase in households headed by single females (never-married and divorced women) in the past 30 years, and those households tend to have lower levels of gun ownership.

So the assumption the anti-gun nuts are making is that while gun sales are high, they are being sold to repeat buyers. People who already own guns are doing most of the buying, out of fear of future bans, SHTF, TEOTWAWKI, etc. so the number of gun owners isn't increasing even though the number of guns being sold is increasing. People who already own guns are buying more guns. Look at your purchase history and that of your gun-owning friends, have you all been buying more guns?

Now, to confuse the issue, a new survey came out from Gallup in October that said self-reported gun ownership is the highest it has been since 1993.

Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period.

Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993

So it depends on which survey you want to believe. Fair and balanced. I report, you decide.

Nothing "fair and balanced" from the Violence Policy Center, EVER!

I was just at an FFL today, he was working "overtime" to catch up on paperwork, I bought a Kahr PM9. While I waited to pay another person came in to pickup his gun, there were three more waiting to be picked up too. And this was an FFL working out of his house so it's a small operation.

BSG Thank you for your Fair and Balanced aproach

Originally Posted by deen_ad

Nothing "fair and balanced" from the Violence Policy Center, EVER!

Agreed, but the data they used came from an impartial source (the General Social Survey conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago) NORC at the University of Chicago | Insight for Informed Decisions | NORC.org

Originally Posted by deen_ad

I was just at an FFL today, he was working "overtime" to catch up on paperwork, I bought a Kahr PM9. While I waited to pay another person came in to pickup his gun, there were three more waiting to be picked up too. And this was an FFL working out of his house so it's a small operation.

How many of those firearms were for first-time buyers? If they were being transferred by a kitchen table FFL the buyers probably are experienced gun owners. So while many firearms were being sold, there was probably no increase in the number of gun owners.

Originally Posted by BSG 75

How many of those firearms were for first-time buyers? If they were being transferred by a kitchen table FFL the buyers probably are experienced gun owners. So while many firearms were being sold, there was probably no increase in the number of gun owners.

That is the point people seem to be missing. There is no way to figure the average guns per person unless you know how many people own guns and these cold call surveys are way too inaccurate and biased. So all those studies are pure speculation. Just think of your neighborhood. Do you really buy the notion that half of the homes have guns in them? Do you believe half the homes in PDX have guns in them? Even in my small home town in WV fewer and fewer people have guns because fewer people hunt each year.

Originally Posted by sadiesassy

BSG Thank you for your Fair and Balanced aproach

Yep, needs to be in the comedy forum!

Originally Posted by BSG 75

Agreed, but the data they used came from an impartial source (the General Social Survey conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago) NORC at the University of Chicago | Insight for Informed Decisions | NORC.org

I'm betting that's another "think tank" funded by Soros like a lot of the others are and a big supporter of Obwan.

Originally Posted by deen_ad

I'm betting that's another "think tank" funded by Soros like a lot of the others are and a big supporter of Obwan.

NORC was founded in 1941. George Soros was 11 years old at the time.